I have always seens Hashut more of a evil god then a chaotic god. of course our army is named chaos warfs for a reason so its pretty clear that he is a chaos god. Bt something I liek about the Cd is that they ar more organised and helpful to each other instead of the regular backstabbing and mainles murdering that the other chaos gods have there followers to do.
Sigmar has no real power as a god.
I'm sure the Warrior Priests, Arch Lectors, and Felix Jaeger would be surprised to hear that one. As he certainly aids them much as a god might on many occasions.
Other Gods of actual power originate from Chaos. When the Chaos gates were ripped open, the world was infected with Chaos. This brought about all the abominations on the world, including things like Skaven and Beastman. Even Skaven had a Greater Daemon. Daemons are the manifestations of the Gods that control them. Thus Hashut could have daemons.
Remember, it didn't start out as the big four, there used to be several other chaos gods that held other positions. Such as the Renegade Chaos God Malal who was a chaos god against other chaos gods, and held the position of destroyer. Everything that could be built up, he would deconstruct. Every plan put out by Tzeentch would go awry if Malal felt the bird beak was extending his grasp too far. Every sacrifice to another god could be taken by Malal if he felt that it was his place to intercede. Then there were problems when the writers of his stories got in a tissy with GW, and we're stuck again with everyone thinking there's only four.
The Horned Rat, Hashut, Isha, all are gods of other races, and all are chaos gods, not tied to the big four. Just because it's a chaos god doesn't mean it works for chaos, with chaos, or even likes chaos. It certainly wouldn't be the first time chaos tried to destroy itself, and it wouldn't be the last.
I totally agree. The four chaos gods that many thinks of are just the most powerful and mighties gods of chaos. Itss many more lesser ones even if I would guess that both the horned rat and Hashut are the most powerful after the big four.
You’re forgetting the Old Ones. I suppose you could argue they are just Chaos deities from another section of the universe... It is still a possibility that not all Warhammer deities are Chaos god, Sotek being the only exception we are certain of so far. Along that same note, the Great Maw of the Ogres supposedly fell to earth with a comet (two tailed, clearly). Whether it was a god before it came into contact with the winds of chaos or not remains to be seen though.
Also, I do believe I remember reading somewhere on the GW site that the Khemri's deities pre-Nagash were not from the Chaos. Anyone remember any such thing?
Sidebar: Finally! I have been trying to post this for two days but it hasn’t worked!
Zarkov is pretty much correct even if he uses a lot of 40K terms. When an actual being is worshipped then the soul of the being doesn't necessarily get the power from that worship but it causes disturbances in the chaos realm that correspond to that being.
You wouldn't consider the original Old One's Gods? They certainly can effect the physical realm as much as any of the Chaos Gods, if not more.
Your probably right about the Great Maw; seems to conveniant a deity, one that embodies everything Ogres stand for. Seems likely its a Chaos deity.
Anyone know anything about the original gods of Khemri?
That's a very interesting point, I agree that it could be a possible cause.
Basically, Zarkov, you can be my mouth on this subject because everything ypu have said is what I have thought, just said better. And I think it is wholely realistic that more belief puts more strain on the Chaos Gate. Also, as to The Great Maw, it didn't exist until after that meteor hit. There are a lot of ogres and they have to believe something because they have no reason not to and aren't (generally) intelligent enough to think for themselves, not to mention it was convenient for their habits (their god representing a big mouth and they already liked to eat), then their is the issue of it being made of warpstone, probably making the emotions change into a chaos-god-form-thing much more easily.
Of course, the fact that they can actually go and visit it is another thing entirely.
Except that any Ogres that visit it will return with parts of them bitten off, eaten, missing, or may not return at all. Those who do return from seeing it say it is a vast and toothy maw with rippling muscles that stretch down into nothingness. Those that have sailed across the oceans say there is another maw on the opposite side of the world that is in the form of a gaping and tooth filled whirlpool.
There also seems to be little to suggest that it was formed of warpstone other than the sickly green glow that emanated from it before it hit the ground, which could be nearly anything. The fact that it had a gaping mouth before making contact, and that when it did make contact it continued to burrow into the ground, suggest that it was an actual being instead of just an inert comet as it was coming down.
The Ogre Kingdoms book says otherwise, though. And I take the word of the Army book over the word of Warseer.
The Ogre Kingdoms book says otherwise, though. And I take the word of the Army book over the word of Warseer.
Care to inform us? It would be nice to add to the conversation. 
The Ogre Kingdom's Book says that those observing the comet before it crashed saw a face, and more accurately a mouth on it. When the Comet crashed it continued to burrow into the center of the earth even after the initial crash where any fairly innert comet would have just stopped after crashing in, and warpstone doesn't mutate itself and become active until consumed, absorbed, or contacted by something already alive and active.
Those Ogres who have visited the site of the impact report seeing a massive tooth filled maw with rippling muscles that descend deep into nothingness that could swallow a race like the Ogres and still be hungry for more. Those that visit the other side of the world see a toothy maw in the ocean surrounded by a vast whirlpool that sucks in ships to a deep gullet at the center.
I just don't think it's quite right to throw out the accounts or beliefs of the Ogres and just say that it was a warpstone comet because a somewhat similar comet that stuck Mordheim happened to be made of the substance (And I might note, that it along with the only other examples we have of warpstone comets broke up upon impact, and did not burrow into the earth). Other twin tailed comets have been seen and sighted that were not made out of warpstone, such as a gromril one that struck one of the dwarf holds.
I think it subtracts from the grandeur of the fantasy part of warhammer to simply state that all gods are simply manifestations in the warp.
Well firstly, they didn't all break up on impact. There have been small shards that have fallen and remained whole, and again the big example of Cripple Peak which was a huge chunk that remained whole. Also the Mordheim comet did burrow a fair bit into the earth, see the Pit. Plus all such impacts, regardless of their substances, burrow fairly deep into the ground due to their massive impact velocity
All the way to the other side of the planet? I can accept the rest of what we know about the Great Maw being up in the air, but there is no way a regular comet could go straight through the planet, no matter how deep normal comets go.
theres 2 kinds of fluff
the first is in most chaos dwarf things and describes hashut as a lesser chaos power, as in one of the ones mentioned in the chaos book but not one of the 5 greater powers (and i do mean 5, name the fifth)
the second was in the first eddition fantasy roleplay book and described him as a super powerful deamon prince of Khorne that had turned againt it's master
since fluff version 1 appears more often and in more recent things that the normaly accepted one
He wasn't really the 5th god, just one of the many other gods.
Hashut as a daemon of Khorne was never published so can be completely ignored.
wow great article
its implied on pg 2 that nagash is a god, not so hes just the complete master of undead
i always thought that sigmar was not a man or god but primarch
and there are alot of chaos byproducts not just the deities of the warhammer world but some of its races
especially skaven and dark elves and who had ogres before they had there own book, BoC
if i wasnt so tired id get up and find more examples
The empire priests get their power from their strong belief. They hate the ennemy and such. Sigmar dont seem to act directly on them. It seems that Sigmar is no real god. He even hate sorcery and it is only after a war against chaos that the empire start using it. He seems like the only false god (not created by emotions). But in that case I dont know what Ulric could be.
As for the CD, assuming that every god is a product of emotions and therefor "chaotic" in is origin, there is no reason to believe that he "depend" o khorne or anyone else to survive. He could have been created long before the CD, by the worst aspects of the dwarven mind.
one idea might be that gods are given power by the amount of souls they have and that by worshiping a god you are giving it your soul and by sacrificing someone else to your god you are giving it theirs.
When someone noted the possibility of daemons of other gods the children of Ulric from Trollslayer flew through my mind.
When someone noted the possibility of daemons of other gods the children of Ulric from Trollslayer flew through my mind.
A werewolf appear in "palace of the plague lord" and he do not worship ulric. It seem that tzeench is the one.
So how the werewolves fit in the warhammer world ?
You forgot the Wood Elf Alter Kindred in your list of "weres", Revlid, as well as those Dogs of War "Bearmen".