CDO Forums - Finds on eBay and Strategies for defeating Extortionist Pricing

Lots of stuff out there my fellow chaos stunties:

A hobbo bolt thrower:
http://tinyurl.com/2nztbz

Death Rocket:
http://tinyurl.com/37lcvr

Various Chaos Dwarfies
http://tinyurl.com/2l2r89

Chaos Dwarf Ships for MoW... Arrrrrggggh!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/37z2ta

More Ships
http://tinyurl.com/32q8dh

Taurus Riders for MoW
http://tinyurl.com/2lsnyq

A Chaos Dwarf Army or part of one:
http://tinyurl.com/38ncmy

CD transfers
http://tinyurl.com/38xjdq

Marauder
http://tinyurl.com/2pr2uf

Sneaky Gits
http://tinyurl.com/34sl58

Earthshaker Bits
http://tinyurl.com/2sklyt

Ninja Zombie Chaos Dwarf...
http://tinyurl.com/2keods

Death Rocket with an awesome Buy it Now Price, don't let SWSNBN get it!
http://tinyurl.com/3awk3y

Another one with Buy it now Pricing
http://tinyurl.com/3ye3vh

Another Swivel gun
http://tinyurl.com/34ktdx

Another mortar/petard
http://tinyurl.com/34uucm

And yes, some of these are Pulper's as he note previously.

CD warrior Musician
http://tinyurl.com/3ax7tk

Mortar/Petard
http://tinyurl.com/3yyqoe

CD Warriors
http://tinyurl.com/382djo

Yes when it gets above a certain price threshold the bidders IDs are hidden.

$410 US YOU have got to be mad, well Minimad just made someone very happy for Christmas.... <shrug>

Yep most big hats models are still available from the various GW sites. Not all however.

Good sized army up for grabs for all you "Big Hatters" out there!

http://tinyurl.com/2vucxa

Since you are new here I'll recap for you:

rolljordan-
No one here has a problem with anyone making a profit on eBay. That is what capitalism is all about. However no one wants to live in a pure capitalistic state with no controls. Such a state would be as bad as pure communism.

While feelings may be hurt, people can generally live with the fact of being outbid on items. What really annoys and gets everyone here mad is this: buying something for $4.00 US and then turning it around and selling something for $70.00 US and attempting to pass it over as "OOP" (Out of Print- they're not). Or "Rare and Hard to Find" (only because certain eBay buyers are artificially driving up prices). What Warhammer Crazy and Essexgirl and to a lesser extent what certain eBay bidders are indirectly supporting is price gouging and borderline price manipulation IMHO. Sure, prices are whatever the market will bear, but we are talking about an electronic world where physical items are sold, with no real price average. Rather wildly fluctuating items that sell at opposite ends of the spectrum. Thus real-world parallels are tough to draw. Again Its PRICE GOUGING!. There is no recourse with eBay and that is the truly maddening part. Probably why other alternatives to eBay are starting to pop out of the woodwork, almost daily it seems.

Supply and Demand are fine. But there is no taking account into inflation in these prices. Inflation on an item that cost $8.50 US in 1993 adjusts to $11-12.00; US 14 years later... In no way shape or form does that justify a x5 price increase for scarcity for some of these items. Are there some items that scare? Sure, but most 4th/5th edition Chaos Dwarfs aren't.

Next: I'm confused by this:

rolljordan Wrote:

2) What you guys are doing is not wrong also, eBay allow you to do so, but is also not ethnically correct.

What are we doing that is illegal? Basically a lot of us have ABSOLUTELY HAD IT with by being screwed over on eBay buyers/sellers. So we are fighting back. We are watching every auction we can find and letting everyone here know so CD related items don't fall into the hands of the same buyers who are screwing over anyone looking to actually use and buy CD related items. Illegal? No way shape or form. Whats happening is we have had enough and are fighting back. Including never buying from said buyers no matter what. You can inly push people so far before they start to take action.

Next Up, your premise of "only hurting poor eBay buyers" is a dubious one at best. I can afford said eBay prices easily. However, I'm not spending money on something that is not mildly overpriced, but RIDICULOUSLY OVERPRICED

Lastly, Games Workshop is starting to take matters into its own hands. GW can't be to happy with the amount of trading going on, on eBay. Each has the potential of a unrealized sale of new models. thus they are moving to "Manufacture on demand" models. In theory this means they could produce any model in their catalog within a short period of time. Should that happen the very same people gouging on eBay could find the entire online market vanish due to GW making models as mentioned.

That being said, welcome to CDO.

Normally I abhor dissection of posts with counter posts point by point but the last post was so full of glaring omissions...

rolljordan Wrote:

Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)

Actually your premise of minis mislabeled actually falls flat. That is precisely what I would do. If I bought by some miracle 300 minis as you described then I would offer them here first after I was done with what I want. Then after that put them back on eBay.

rolljordan Wrote:

Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version Wink

....) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.

Actually inflation gauges and indexes are immensely useful tools to gauge the relative purchasing power of a given currency at a given time. Not the sole arbiter thou... see below.

You seem to be getting hung up on the notion that inflation index is the sole arbiter of price (which I never implied), merely it�s a baseline starting point.

You analogy with cars is flawed from the start. You are talking about a car (lamborghini) that has 5-10 made a year. That�s is scarcity; that is rare. Its not the greates of examples wither since they are built to order. Chaos Dwarf models are not that rare, that�s the problem. If you used eBay as ones sole source of information it might seem otherwise. But millions of models were produced. Again collector�s items? Perhaps. Rare? If you only look at eBay they are.

Simply put exotic cars=rare, unreleased chaos cannons=rare, widely sold and distributed 4th/5th edition CD minis, not so much.

rolljordan Wrote:

If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.

Again, bad analogy. Your unreleased chaos cannon is something that truly is rare. Thus could conceivably justify high prices due to said rarity.

rolljordan Wrote:

As for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don't care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don't let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post? Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD's and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.

So if by using your logic that you see nothing wrong with what warhammer crazy is doing, I see nothing wrong with taking whatever means to stop them from getting minis at dirt-cheap prices. For reference, we didn�t start this whole mess. The debate is an exercise in futility as none of us here who actually want to use CD minis are going to see it otherwise quite frankly.

Essexgirl deserves everything that comes her way IMHO. No matter what �mental gymnastics� you use you are NEVER going to convince those who have been burnt by her, or her outrageous �pricing� otherwise.

I�m not concerned about biklinko or his collection. Means nothing to me other then if I really want something on �vultureBay� I have to take the fact that he has driven up prices in his bidding patterns and adjust mine accordingly

rolljordan Wrote:

Sorry to tell you but GW really doesn't care about it believe me Happy

for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.

As far as GW mail order goes. Wow. You work for them? You know their intention. Their latest statement regarding said matter was either a) a figment of our collective imaginations or b) some bad beer we were all drinking last night with the Easter Bunny. In other words unless you work for GW either possibility is possible, but with neither being plausible.

GW is a company, Companies make money. When a company�s sales keep delicling they ask why. After asking why they make changes to address said decrease in sales. If the cost is low enough to create models on demand I will not put it past GW to bring it back regardless of circumstances.

This is all just a waste of time anyways should GW release new CD minis for a new CD army..

Again, I understand your point, even if I disagree with them. Simply put however: Your logic is flawed from the start.

Agreed everyone has said their peace, but no one is going to change their minds. Agree to disagree and move on, or at least back on topic..... God I sound like a Mod! <shudder> Happy

That one sounds really fishy there; my advice is stay away.

Canix-wish no such thing on me!

Pyro Stick Wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2xce7a
Some Bolt throwers and a load of hobgoblins and sneaky gits. Also a renegade and some marauders

DAMN UK only listing! <shakes fist at... no one in particular really>

SWSNBN= "She Who Shall Not Be Named" a.k.a. a certain vulture on eBay, bane of our existence here...

Looks like there is at least a Death Rocket mixed up in these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0197547112

Can't you throw a farthing or something else in there? Wink

CD Standard Bearer (and Essexgirl is currently high bidder)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0195494190

Lammasu
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0019350165

Blundies (UK Auction only)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0212666237

Astrogoth:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0209627529

Crap load of CD infantry:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0212668095

Earthshaker
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0209630007

More Infantry
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0209633226

Chaos Dwarf Infantry
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0020584888

Chaos Sorcerer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...0019349721

Here's a rarity... Death Rocket it aint
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...SS:US:1123

Key word to that statement is "used to", unfortunately hobgoblin prices (as noted above) have been increasing in price now as well.

Dogs of War Oglah Khan's Hobgoblin Wolfboyz box:
http://tinyurl.com/2lfltf

More of same:
http://tinyurl.com/2qntwn

DR crewman and 2 Blundies
http://tinyurl.com/3xjhww

Taurus
http://tinyurl.com/2ttbvy

BC
http://tinyurl.com/3cenjw

Sorceror
http://tinyurl.com/2pz6qq

Lammasu and Rider
http://tinyurl.com/2mbeca

Warriors, Taurus and Lammasu... all in the same lot on vultureBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...SS:US:1123

Great find. Those guys will go for quite a bit I think.

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