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Canix: Remember Biklinc is just a collector and not there to make a profit. He is buying stuff to keep and not resale for profit. So he is paying what he believe is worth to obtain such pieces. Yes he might being inflating the market but is a consequence. My self as a collector will pay 50x the value of a piece to complete my collection (don't ask more Happy....) (Example the Kemmler Scenario pack, missed Kemmler him self looked for 5 years and not available, one day I got one offered for $500.00 well guess what bought it, after 2 months two showed up on eBay and went for $200 and $250.00 each. Remember collectors are not bad people)

Pyro: Yes I pay a lot if I need that piece for a collection I need to finish. See above answer to Canix.

Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)

Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version Wink....) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.

As for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don't care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don't let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post?
Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD's and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.

LAST: "Lastly, Games Workshop is starting to take matters into its own hands. GW can't be to happy with the amount of trading going on, on eBay. Each has the potential of a unrealized sale of new models. thus they are moving to "Manufacture on demand"  models. In theory this means they could produce any model in their catalog within a short period of time. Should that happen the very same people gouging on eBay could find the entire online market vanish due to GW making models as mentioned."

Sorry to tell you but GW really doesn't care about it believe me Happy for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.

Hope I was bale to explain what I meant with my words, and nothing against you guys or pro essexgirl or biklincko. I'm a neutral collector here and love Hashut and his little lead soldiers that is it.

Willmark Wrote:
Normally I abhor dissection of posts with counter posts point by point but the last post was so full of glaring omissions...

rolljordan Wrote:
Willmark: Yes I understand you also and your point of view. But that is how eBay works and is real even if intangible. But tell me, if you get offered or you find on eBay an auction of 300 Marauder CD in original blisters listed as Sweet Pony (totally wrong name just an example) and is going for $2.00, are you going to try to get it for $10.00 hoping no one will see you. Then get what you need and resale the rest at regular price making a big profit like 500% OR are you going to list the auction on this site? Essex and Wcrazy are looking to buy stuff cheap and make 300% out of it. Yes pisses a lot of people off but nothing wrong with it IMHO)


Actually your premise of minis mislabeled actually falls flat. That is precisely what I would do. If I bought by some m

iracle 300 minis as you described then I would offer them here first after I was done with what I want. Then after that put them back on eBay.

rolljordan Wrote:
Also you talk about INFLATION? with collectors items this can not be done and is truly unrealistic. Instead of toy soldiers look at a Lamborghini or Viper (US version Wink....) from 1973 sold at $8000 then and tell the owner that with inflation now is worth $16000 and lets see what happens. When we all know that with collectors items this is not true. If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.


Actually inflation gauges and indexes are immensely useful tools to gauge the relative purchasing power of a given currency at a given time. Not the sole arbiter thou... see below.

You seem to be getting hung up on the notion that inflation index is the sole arbiter of price (which I never implied), merely it’s a baseline starting point.

You analogy with cars is flawed from the start. You are talking about a car (lamborghini) that has 5-10 made a year. That’s is scarcity; that is rare. Its not the greates of examples wither since they are built to order. Chaos Dwarf models are not that rare, that’s the problem. If you used eBay as ones sole source of information it might seem otherwise. But millions of models were produced. Again collector’s items? Perhaps. Rare? If you only look at eBay they are.

Simply put exotic cars=rare, unreleased chaos cannons=rare, widely sold and distributed 4th/5th edition CD minis, not so much.

rolljordan Wrote:
If I want to sell my Unreleased CD cannon as an example that was worth 15GBP at MO UK when produced 20+ years ago you will then offer me 25 or 30GBP? When we all know that the real value is about $300/$600.00 for it. Inflation can be used only for items widely available and very common to find. Rarity/Demand/Availability are the key words and there is no formula for it.


Again, bad analogy. Your unreleased chaos cannon is something that truly is rare. Thus could conceivably justify high prices due to said rarity.

rolljordan Wrote:
As for illegal well not illegal I expressed my self wrong, I don't care of what you are doing to them. If you guys post auctions here is just fine and very nice for the other. But what it bothers me are words like don't let Essex get it or similar. Is not nice, and what if they read this post? Also looking at the way I value stuff I might become your next victim O____o if I decide I want to get 4 full units of 3rd Ed CD's and rate them at 10GBP each. Or you are hurting a serious collector like Biklinko that is just trying to complete his collection like you guys are doing.


So if by using your logic that you see nothing wrong with what warhammer crazy is doing, I see nothing wrong with taking whatever means to stop them from getting minis at dirt-cheap prices. For reference, we didn’t start this whole mess. The debate is an exercise in futility as none of us here who actually want to use CD minis are going to see it otherwise quite frankly.

Essexgirl deserves everything that comes her way IMHO. No matter what “mental gymnastics” you use you are NEVER going to convince those who have been burnt by her, or her outrageous “pricing” otherwise.

I’m not concerned about biklinko or his collection. Means nothing to me other then if I really want something on “vultureBay” I have to take the fact that he has driven up prices in his bidding patterns and adjust mine accordingly

rolljordan Wrote:
Sorry to tell you but GW really doesn't care about it believe me Happy for them doing so is unproductive. Manufacturing on demand was available from GW up to 7 years ago. You sent the code and they casted it. Looking at how GW is going in the future they will make available only time by time some selected models from the Archive. And believe me by 2008 all CD no matter what series will be OOP and will get harder to get.


As far as GW mail order goes. Wow. You work for them? You know their intention. Their latest statement regarding said matter was either a) a figment of our collective imaginations or b) some bad beer we were all drinking last night with the Easter Bunny. In other words unless you work for GW either possibility is possible, but with neither being plausible.

GW is a company, Companies make money. When a company’s sales keep delicling they ask why. After asking why they make changes to address said decrease in sales. If the cost is low enough to create models on demand I will not put it past GW to bring it back regardless of circumstances.

This is all just a waste of time anyways should GW release new CD minis for a new CD army..

Again, I understand your point, even if I disagree with them. Simply put however: Your logic is flawed from the start.


Ok Willmark never mind different opinions here. We will never agree Happy and if we go on it might degenerate. Well I'm here to enjoy CD stuff and look at your collections and conversions. So back to path and lets forget about this discussion ok?

As for Mail Order believe me my sources in GW turn to be 95% right each time. Happy well talk about it next year.

gIL^ Wrote:
well roll jordan its basically your word against mine, the on demand was never in place, they didnt cast when you wanted them,  you ever see them massive boxes with each mini in,

this is old gamesworkshop mail order

they get the order on phone : they send the order down to the warehouse : they look at every code and walk down a massive row of plastic boxes when they find the certain box with the code on, they get said amount units that were ordered put it in a box and ship it to you,

currently they dont cast on demand they cast like 10,000 or so units every month in 1 day and chuck them all in a box, that is not demand so your wrong sorry.

the new method is far better where they do infact cast on demand i dont need to explain how that works do i?

i actually came with this news on this site and it is ( possible to have older cd mini's ) but if the molds have been lost or destroyed they wont bother to make a new mold for that mini just not do that mini, its possible that all the molds are still around, or non of them are we can only hope.



Old MO had stocks of plastic boxes with the same mini in it hundreds of times is true, but in the old days you could also get them casted on the spot for you Happy at the factory. Employees actually and some big store owners where given a chance to pick up a certain size box or certain lead weight each month or visit. The cannon I owe was casted for the older owner on the spot Happy

As for the molds still in existence and not replaced you are 100% correct. Once lost or damaged they are gone. But remember an average life for rubber mold is not to exceed probably 1000 rounds, and these for new compounds. CD where casted in older organic rubber there less resistant. I hope GW will recast them but I don't see it to optimistic.

Well hope you are right and that if I order the Bull body again I will get it. It was the left side 1 I believe.

iamahobgoblin Wrote:
rolljordan  :  Remember Biklinc is just a collector and not there to make a profit. He is buying stuff to keep and not resale for profit. So he is paying what he believe is worth to obtain such pieces.

im not trying to cause an argument but i really do beg to differ , every item that biklinic has ever bought from me has ended up in warhammer crazies store . here are three examples
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwar...dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwar...dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fantasy-Chaos-Dwar...dZViewItem

i painted these guys last year and sold them on ebay for £10 each hoping they would go to a genuine collector . i am by no means a 'pro painter' . the fact that they appeared for sale in warhammer crazy store the next week was really dismaying to say the least, not to mention the 150% price mark up and the false title. how on earth you can say that guy has nothing to do with the store and is a genuine collector is beyond me, he bids on every single chaos dwarf auction and has been doing so for years , and he wins 75% of them.


Yes you got a point here is true. But remember that they belong both to the same club. Maybe he decided to get rid of them sold them to WCrazy that sold them on eBay.

Overall lets get back to discussion, and let me avoid spam that will damage the topic. Everyone has his own opinions, price value, feelings and more and they will never match each other..... so lets end here this argument. Happy

Chris

RAGGGUUUHHHHH I hate her
she was bidding on a sqaut bike if someone wants to out bid her

This_Is_My_Boomstick!! Wrote:

Evil Fordy Wrote:
RAGGGUUUHHHHH I hate her
she was bidding on a sqaut bike if someone wants to out bid her


enhance your calm............now are we talking about swsnbm??

swsnbm? UH

Just started collecting CD and think She takes the piss
well i have a small mixture of both 5,bc 1 bh infantry and 3 oldschool cd's
Squat Heavy Weapons Trike early Rogue Trader 1987
somone please out bid her !!!!!
Let me know
Maybe of interest to the group:
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was that not an astragoth figure?

I see that alot of you are familiar with the essex.. and I was just wondering.. do alot of you get annoyed that there is someone like her that buys CD models, bumps up the price and sells them again?
In my opinion it kind of annoys me, I think I would rather see someone outbid me that will enjoy the mini and keep it... but then on the other hand she is always there with stuff that we want and can buy from her if we really need it for an inflated price when no one else has it.. but I still find myself gettin a little annoyed.
Wow that is a bargain if ever I saw one!
Deffinately your lucky day mate... but dont buy a lottery ticket I think you just exhausted your luck with a find like that!
I'd like left side top row 4 please if canix has not already claimed them
Happy Very good!

On ebay lately I have been getting alot of 2nd chance offers and I am starting to get pretty suspicous on it all... I mean it would not be hard to have another Ebay ID or a friends and get them to jack the price up for ya and if you end up winning it from pushing it up too high, just let them off and send someone a 2nd chance offer!
What do you think?
Yeah thats what I thought, thanks for your ideas to help catch them out I will keep more of an eye on these in future, its a shame honesty is so rare these days!!
re people sending out second chance offers had 1 from sharkfin2000  which im not so sure the bidding was fair however still got them as i needed it also beaware of wicardobezmarillio as he never sent me my cd mini there iv had my rant now
Thanks for the heads up mate, I will keep an eye on those 2 in future! Unsure

Has anyone seen one of those ass cannons floating about yet? surely we must be due for another lot on ebay soon!
Pyro - Yeah cool I might give that a try after work today.

Willmark - Yeah for sure the last 3 that came up went for a bit, but ahh well if ya want the cool old stuff ya gotta pay for it.
ahhhh factory sealed!!! damnit why did I have to look at it! That would look sooo nice in my warhammer room. Dont see too many in the shrink anymore, but I think my misses will kill me if I get it.. I have been overspending lately Rolleyes
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