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I'm not sure if this has been done already, so please add a link if it has but this thread is all about putting together 'counts as' armies for use in tournaments where CDs are not allowed.  If you have used your army as a 'Count's As' army, or are putting one together, please tell us what your units 'counted as' here!

To get the ball rolling:

Hordes of Chaos

Lords
CD Lord = lord of chaos
Marks:
Undivided = Talisman of Gorgoth - May re-roll failed psychology tests
Khorne = Hammer of Malice - subject to frenzy, adds one dice to dispel pool
Nurgle = Armour of Ishkur al Salat - Hero causes fear, has + 1 wound
Slaanesh = Obsidian Helm - immune to psychology

Bull Centaur Lord
BC Lord = Lord of chaos + chaos steed.
Marks:
As CD Lord

CD Sorceror Lord (or High Priest!!) = Exalted Sorceror of Chaos or Lord of chaos with mark of Tzeench
Marks (Exalted Sorceror only)
Undivided = Talisman of Gorgoth - May re-roll failed psychology tests
Nurgle = Armour of Ishkur al Salat - Hero causes fear, has + 1 wound, can use nurgle spells (make more chaos dwarfy!)
Slaanesh = Obsidian Helm - immune to psychology, can use slaanesh spells (make more Chaos Dwarfy)

Lord + Mark of Tzeench= Lv 4 sorceror, can ride a Lammasu = Disc of Tzeench (ok, rubbish at fighting/walking but at least it can fly(float)

Heroes

All as above except hero with mark of tzeench is Lv 2 sorceror and can't ride a Lammasu.

Core

CD Warriors = Chaos warriors
Marks:
Khorne - Banner of zharr nagrund -frenzy, +1 dispel dice
Nurgle - horn of mourn - Cause Fear
Tzeench - Obsidian Gems - + 1 power dice

CD Immortals (0-1) = Chaos 'chosen' warriors + mark of slaanesh
(immune to psychology/chaos (dwarf)armour, + 1A)

Bull Centaurs = Chaos Knights
Marks:
Khorne - Banner of zharr nagrund -frenzy, +1 dispel dice
Nurgle - horn of mourn - Cause Fear
Tzeench - Obsidian Gems - + 1 power dice
Slaanesh - immune to psychology

(0-1) Chosen - +1A, 1+ Armour save

{EDIT} BCs could also count as Dragon Ogres with Great weapons from the Beasts of Chaos list as a rare choice.

Hobgoblins = Chaos Marauders

Hobgoblin Wolf Riders = Marauder Horsemen

Good Points
IMMORTALS!!!
Rock hard Bull Centaurs
Can make a really powerfull sorceror lord on lammasu
Use Marks of Chaos as fluffy CD magic items!
If your army points more towards Chaos than Hashut (like mine!), can fit in Chaos units/deamons quite easily (Trolls/Ogres/Giant/Beastmen anyone?{count as special/rare choices from the beasts of chaos rules})

Bad Points:
Rules for Marks of Chaos
Movement not dwarf like
No Orcs unless tournament allows allies/ DoW
No war machines or blunderbuss!


SUMMARY
Its going to be hard to make an accurate CD army using this list.  The main focus is on Warriors, Hobgoblins, Immortals and Bull Centaurs as the other unit entries in the army don't represent well.  Also, If you want to have the Immortals as hard as their rules suggest, then the General will have to have the mark of Chaos undidvided or slaanesh, so if you want a Lammasu, you can't have the immune to psychology immortals (they can still have the armour and attack, but the mark of tzeench just makes them add a power dice).  


OK, any comments please and suggestions for other counts as lists (dwarfs! O& G's, Empire etc,etc.)

I agree, Empire have such a mix of units, flagelents as slaves? they've got that rocket thingy (i wonder what we could use that for!!), Having BCs count as Knights of the white wolf of the inner circle, a fire wizard, the list goes on.  Someone with the book please put a 'counts as' list up

Great work on the 'counts as' Dwarfs list BTW grim.

Morning,

the biggest problem I see with the "Chaos" counts-as-list is the base size. All chaos models are based on the bigger 25mm bases, whereas (chaos) dwarves are on the smaller 20mm bases. Chosen warriors with Great Weapon and the small frontage of a dwarf unit would definetly rock, though...

I guess counts-as-dwarfs is the best solution.

And DoW have an entry for Dwarf Warriors, haven´t they? They are allowed to use cannons.

They have the matching Heavy infantry and various cavalry and artillery options. That could actually work quite well as Counts as List... Good idea, Uzkul!

Add mine to the chorus. Dwarfs make the best choice for a count as army. If for no other reason then base size. Because of this chaos is effectively eliminated unless you place them on 20 mm bases, and if chaos warrior infantry wasn't difficult enough to rank up!

DoW are rare choices tho.

Your probably right WM, but the point of this thread was for people who may not have access to the dwarf army book, but might have an empire one or HoC one lying around, so I wanted to try and gather as many different 'counts as' lists as possible!  Which one is the best is just down to personal opinion!  

We have a Dwarf 'CA list and a Chaos 'CA list, someone has mentioned empire but not posted a list so that to come hopefully.  Lets see if we cant fit CDs into Skaven or High elves or something.  once we have a few more we could come up with a diffinitive list incorporating all peoples comments and ideas.

Yes, but you are still limited to 2 DoW units Maximumin a 1500pt army.  It could plug a couple of holes, I agree.

or, you could use the dogs of war list.

dwarf warriors fill out the special, duelists and pikement to represent hobgoblins, heavy cavalry for bulls, light cav for hobgob wolfboys, and other stuff for rare.

just another suggestion

Cool! this is just the sort of thing we need!  Basically what I'm aiming for is a definitive guide so that whatever army you play, you can convert a CD army and use the rules you've got!

Minty - DoW sounds good, don't have the book though. Could you post a list like Khan/Grim/myself

Lords
Mercenary general - chaos dwarf lord (low T I kniw, but it's the best I've got)
Wizard lord - sorcerer lord with pegasus as a lammassu

Heros
mercenary captain - chaos dwarf hero (he's T4, so I guess it works)
hireling wizard - hobgoblin wizard (T3, so can't work as a chaos dwarf)
paymaster - hobgoblin hero

Core
Pikemen - hobgoblin warriors
Crossbowmen - hobgoblin shooters
duelists - sneaky gits with either additional hand weapon or pistol
Light cav- hobgoblin wolf riders
Heavy cavalry - Bull centaurs

Special
Dwarfs - chaos dwarfs
dwarfs with crossbows - chaos dwarf crossbowmen
Ogres - golems/ogre slaves
Halflings - small hobgoblins/ snotlings deamon potato sacks
norse bezerkers - crazed slaves/drugged hobgoblins

Rare
Cannon - hobgoblin/slave crewed warmachine
Hotpot - potato launcher crewed by potato sacks

Regiments of renown
if you think I have the attention span to do these guys you should lay of the gin and tonic, just come up with your own

Just use regimental bases with over hangs, as long as the frontage is correct, it doesn't matter how much 'empty' base there is either side of the unit

You have to use CA for CDs in the UK GT.

Wow, abreviation-tastic

I actually used my CD as HOC ones. The only real advantage is that bull centaurs finaly act as heavy cavalry. Id still rather use them as CD. But is nice to see bull centaurs reducing entire elves units to pieces.

Great Stuff Grim!!! this is exactly what we're after

Or you just dont play against someone if they become a putz about whether or not CDs are legal. Probably the best option IMHO.

who wouldnt let someone use chaos dwarfs there 100percent legal thats like someone coming up and saying no to dogs of war or hordes of chaos
insanity