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Hi there friend

My friancée and I was having a little problem with the bull centaurs armour save.
- First of all, if I give my bull centaurs a heavy armour and a shield they get a 4+ save roll.
But will the Bull Centaurs/Lords benefit from the cavarly base rule (that gives its rider an 6+ as armour save, without any other armour). So the armour save can be reduce to 3+ instadet of 4+.
Does the Bull Centaurs count as a mount and rider and benefit from the rules that can be applied to those or is a Bull Centaur "just" a mount or a rider?

Hope you can help, Cheers Merchant.

yeah and it said that they are equiped with a great weapon and a sheild, but 7th ed rules don't allow that, so does it take away the sheild or is it an exeption?

Okay, you'll hear contradictory things here because there's no definite ruling, but this is how I play it:

- Bull Centaurs are mounted on cavalry bases and have unit strength 2
- They don't count as cavalry though, so do not benefit from +1 Armour Save
- Conversely, since they don't count as cavalry they can use two hand weapons and great weapons in the same way as infantry

So, Bull Centaurs with heavy armour and shields receive a 4+ Armour Save, and the same applies to Bull Centaur characters.

As for the second post; you can have a great weapon and shield, you just can't use them together. This rule has been the same since way before 7th Edition too.

4+ for save despite what we would hope for.

There is a thread for this:
http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showth...p?tid=1278

Thank you, Cornixt. it has been spoken about. I'll lock this topic now.