I agree that it is probably just a unit far in advance of a full chaos dwarf army. GW are probably just wondering how well a single unit would sell to see if it is worth making the full army. It should be interesting to see how the unit will be incorporated into a chaos army. Do you think there will be a max of 1 unit or something?
The idea of new Chaos Dwarf models would be tantalizing. It would be interesting to see if we had any influence on GW.
But when it comes to Chaos Dwarfs, I'll believe it when I see it. April fools is a little close to this rumour for my tastes.
It was in the podcast regarding DE being pushed back.
Does that mean it was on a date other than today?
There is always the AoW CD Hero to look forward to.
I have listened to the casts, which was made before April 1st. They seem to think it is a legitimate rumour, not April 1st inspired. So that's something. I guess we can watch and wait to see what happens.
well one unit (and the hellcannon) would be fine I suppose...
It would be nice if the there was a CD hero character... engineer of some kind...
that made this CD unit core for each one you took...
but I could run with my specials full of chaos dwarfs... if I have to...
BCs as Chaos knights sound nifty... better than DoW for dwarfs anyway...
this is workable if not ideal...
oh i'm pretty sure this is not a may to november thing...
CDs wont sell during that period... there are no models available...
this is a november till 8th ed HoC thing...
when models will be released with the rest of HoC...
and you're right it has nothing whatsoever to do with testing any waters...
this is it... the whole shebang... tho I hope there is a character...
but at the end of the day its not much worse off than we are now...
the idea of a trial run has merit all the way around...
the original purpose of RH was to do that...
it allowed them to spot broken combos before they started the books...
and allows them to compensate... and over compensate in some instances...
But as long as they have a "no models, no rules" policy...
trial run rules will not be presented... which is exactly our situation in May...
It will be really good for the rest of the HoC book though...
Quark express?... GW is a toy company...
and the best customer is not "the customer you already have" for a toy company...
its the customer you're gonna have... because unlike us... most kids grow up...
GW is making no money from us... and stand to make no money from us...
GW also does not make any money from producing rules...
they are breaking even at best... and thats only after a book has been on the shelf for years...
GW makes toys... GW sells toys...
GW makes money by selling toys...
not by selling rules... or complicated software...
Haha, nice sig, Metro!
But it's true, they make the money on the miniatures. Which is why they love their space marines. All the same product supplies 50% of the 40k players.
Metro-
Good points however as Grim pointed out they can easily do just that, make money from rules with minimal expenditure. The toys are already made, simply re-purpose them to another use as he has outlined.
but you don't need rules for this...
if a person is this wacky... they are this wacky...
they are gonna go out and get all the conversion bits to make their dwarfs evil...
just like just about everybody on this site... theres no need for rules... there are dwarf rules...
You seem to think the bits order system doesn't cost them any money...
or that somehow they recoup enough from CD players to make it worthwhile to invest in a rules system...
when in fact I suspect that bits ordering only makes a profit on space marines... and even then only marginal...
It seems as though you are saying that GW had the right idea with CDs all along...
that the stagnation and forced conversion under RH was somehow a great business model for selling CDs...
or that a release like Kislev was some sort of smashing success story...
i think the financial statistics on either example would tell an entirely different story...
Its no different then a grocery store selling items on the front page of their weekly ad at a loss because it drives traffic into the store.
yes...
but putting the cereal on sale and not providing the milk is not good business either...
right...
so I can buy 3 boxed sets from GW to make one regiment...
or I can hunt down the olde models on ebay for about the same cost...
there is minimal return for GW on number 1 because the demographic is too small...
there is no return for GW on number 2 because they have priced themselves out of the market...
or they could just release rules when they have the models to accompany those rules...
its not hopeless turquois... this thread is about good news...
its about official CD rules and Models...
still CD players have to find some reason to slag on GW...
option 2 is necessary for anyone who wants their army to look differently than GWs current range...
those who want lithe daemonettes will have to seek them out on ebay after may...
the absurdity demanding both on the same sprue defies logical response...
option 5 is sure as hell better than option 6...
buy some other companies range... like rackham...
to use with the rules GW invested in... but somehow failed to produce models for...
but i can assure you that 2,3,5,6 are all better options for the average gamer than either 1 or 4...
and 3 is still the best option for GW as a toy company... which is my contention...
your model runs money right into secondary market at best... and the hands of their competitors at worst...
i realize you wish they had a competitor... but to run the company so poorly as to create one?
and for what?
you hear my point but you dont "get it"...
there is no return on your investment targeting toys at any other market that kids... there never will be...
Old farts with an army to dust off when the rules get remade are simply not a demographic...
you're right about a sales trial... baloney and admitted speculation...
but mortal worshipers of chaos gods together on the same field of battle despite difference in height?
its completely congruent with 6th and 7th ed fluff...
option 6 happens when GW releases rules with no models... which is what you endorse...
so if they were to take your advice it would be your fault... and theirs for taking half baked advice...
to satisfy you and me and our dusty old armies...
GW doesn't do this... and its told us why...
"as a toy company it would be foolish for us to release rules with no toys"
and it would be... if we agree that rules are a loss leader (cue flip flop)...
in no way does releasing rules without releasing what they actually sell (toys)... result in a profit...
and in the very worst instance it increases sales to the competition...
your contention is that this is somehow a bad business practice... or it was several pages ago...
tho you have failed to show how producing rules without models makes them any money...
but now I am becoming aware that your position is not about business practice at all...
its a biased rant about not getting what you want...
well thats all very interesting but it has nothing to do with GW bein a good business...
or "listening to their customers"...
a quick glance at the percentage of armies can tell that most of their customers...
the ones they listen to... don't give a rats ass about chaos dwarfs...
and tomorrow you will complain that there are too many space marines in WD...
how dare they listen to their customers like that...
GW is not a bad company... they just don't do what you want them to do...
I for one am glad... as I wouldn't expect them to last long under your leadership...
maybe your dog tho... sounds like hes got his ear to ground as far as marketing is concerned...
GW doesn't even release rules updates to current armies in any sort of structured way. After 7th was released, you could have expected a small FAQ for armies like Beasts of Chaos which has rules revolving around ranking their troops in 4s. But it never happened, GW is very bizarre that way.
But I digress, this topic deals with the rumour at hand. If you want to continue this discussion, please take it to PMs.
well i called catpipe out on his tom foolery on warseer... he hasn't responded yet...
I'm hoping the SMs in fantasy is the only april foolishness...
a special unit with a ranged option... its all we need...
tho the fingers are crossed for that hero i talked about earlier...
in any event why would archaons horde be a different kind of army?
its pretty much what the hordes of chaos should be... with more chaos dwarfs of course...
i thought a single book for both systems for daemons would have been a good idea...
but 4 space marines vs a skaven horde (and winning) sounds like the opposite of fun...
Ah well.
I am disapointed that their RSS feed for their podcast said this posted on March 31st. It's one thing to have a joke on April 1st, but to have one on March 31st makes no sense.
Ah well.
I am disapointed that their RSS feed for their podcast said this posted on March 31st. It's one thing to have a joke on April 1st, but to have one on March 31st makes no sense.
It wasn't March 31st in Australia when I posted up the show 
Yes, but as I said, the RSS feed had the cast dated as March 31st.