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I had a chance to Skim through the Daemon book yesterday.  My local GW had an open copy!

Taking a look at their time line I found two references of interest.  The first was a story of a clash between a very powerful Ogre and a Bloodthirster that took place in the dark lands.  In the end, though mortally wounded, the Ogre was able to entomb the Bloodthirster in a pillar of rock.  That rock was hence forth known as the Daemon's Stump!  So there you have it.  Official Daemon Stump fluff.

The second mention of note was that of a Vampire near the Mountains of Mourn.  He uncovered a magic crown that allowed him to communicate directly with Tzeentch.  A pact between the two was struck and the Vampire led mixed armies of Daemons and Undead against both Ogre and Chaos Dwarf armies.

So, with my quick skim, I found two Chaos Dwarf references!  Hopefully there are more.  There was nothing about Juggernauts however.

Discuss!

They've included references to CD in most of the new books that have come out.

Nice that they've included them in things that are uncontroversial (directly or indirectly), but I would have liked to have seen more made of the 'relationship' between Daemons and CD.

Probably required thinking, so they couldn't be bothered.

@Xander.
If you get a chance I'd be interested to know the dates for these.  It would be useful to know.

Daemon stump was nearer to the beginning of the time-line, and the vampire thing was closer to the end.

I will probably buy this book on May 10th, but if I am in the store again before that I will try to get some more info for you.

hahaha, bloodthirster got owned by an ogre, that bits funny. It's cool too, and i want to do a diorama of it

well now its fairly obvious why its called daemons stump.

i think they are playing up out relationship with the ogres more than our relationship with chaos lately.

Does it have some really new background for deamons ? In other words, is it worth buying?

Um, didn't I just talk about them?

I am not fluent enough with the Daemon lore to say.  I'd have to reread my Hordes of Chaos and Storm of Chaos, then read that whole book.

Sorry.  :/

yep, theres ton of new deamon stuff in the book

a travelers experiance in the realms of chaos is there
the war between the gods
and loads of other cool stuff

Sounds good. I like the idea of the Daemon's Stump, however, I'm wondering how the ogre managed to entomb the bloodthirster. Was it magic? Or like a giant cairn? (Perhaps this is a reference to the fluff of Hashut being a bloodthirster and being imprisoned in the Dark Lands? Debate politely if you wish.) The vampire thing sounds okay. I assume it's a reference to Vortoth's Tower? (If I remember the place correctly.)

Maybe he ate him and then got buried beneath it

I'm looking forwards to the Great Unclean One mounted on Palanquin character!

epidermus isn't a great unclean one mounted on a palanquin, he's just a herald

the great unlcean one characters different, and can fire nurglings like a stone thrower

that would be such a cool army.......................and I want that crown muchly

hehehe, prank call tzeetch

There is rumoured to be a special character that's a GUO on palanquin.  This is in addition to Epidemius.  Seems they've yet to release models for at least 4 special characters.

but he's not an a palanquin unfortunatly, just on foot like every other GUO, and they've released all the special character models, as they released the heralds and the others are just super powered greater deamons who look no diferant

+ it's from nurgle models, not posoned attacks malificant, whih is why he rocks so much

minty, I thought it was from ANY Nurgle model's poisoned wounds. Also, as to the Vampire lead Tzeentch daemons: When the fluff still had 5 bloodlines it mentioned two more that fled and disappeared. One went to Cathay or Ind and the other went North into the wastes. So, it's not as unplausible as you might think

Reading the Bloodcrusher description:

'as it moved towards us we saw its countless close-rivetted plates, forged in dark fires, bound with runes and unearthly spite'.

Although they never made it clear who constructed these, it certainly could be the CD.  Unless the chaos gods have imprisoned some dwarf engineers, or they willed complex machines into existence, I can't see anybody else who could have made them!

Hmm, thinking about this if the warhammer and 40k worlds were connected, it could be the same daemon forge masters that make the defiler and all the 4ok constructs.

The vampires are as follows:

Vashanesh/Vlad - Von Carstein Bloodline - North to the Wastes, before returning to Kislev and then to Sylvania. Killed by the Grand Theogonist.
Neferata - Lahmia - Stayed in the Silver Pinnacle.
W'Soran - Necrach - Stayed with Nagash, eventually killed and devoured by his apprentice, Melkhior. May still exist, in spirit.
Ushoran - Strigoi - Took over the necromantic kingdom of Mourkain in the Badlands, and was killed by an Orcish horde/shaman. As of a certain Black Library book, may be alive with amnesia (possibly the Black Prince).
Aborash - Blood Dragons - Drank the blood of a dragon, and promptly vanished.
Harakthe - ??? - Former Grand Vizier of Neferata. Went East, and presumably founded a Cathayan bloodline.
Maatmeses - ??? - Former High Justice of Lahmia. Went South, to the Southlands, and presumably founded a voodoo bloodline.

Of course, these seven aren't the only bloodlines. Particularly powerful or unique vampires can pass on their traits to their offspring, creating their own 'bloodline-lite', as seen in the Harkonians, the Carrion Children of Araby, and the myriad of Bloodline powers available in the new VC book.

Besides which , it's not unknown for the Undead to make pacts with the dark gods. Mannfredd is known to have enslaved several daemons for necromantic knowledge, the necromancer-priests of ancient Araby and Khemri contact/ed 'djinni' for magical secrets, and Heinrich Kemmler himself made a pact with Nurgle (later retconned to the Chaos Gods) in order to be returned to power.

So, in summary: No Chaos Vampire Bloodline.

I was going by what a friend had told me. He must have got confused with the fact Von Carstein went North and the random vampire that went South. My mistake, but thanks for the enlightenment. Also, Kemmler has a Chaos Wight following him around

As part of the deal, yes.

Excsiely Also, I re-read Epidemius' rules and it's any wound made by ANY Nurgle model on either side. therefore, that'd count as magic, shooting (from a banner, I think is their only method, which'd still be magic, he he he) or close combat or even perhaps combat resolution? I would say no to combat res as it isn't a model causing it, it is instability/undeath casuing it...