Searching high and low for OOP models, and converting an army would still be possible if they brought out a new range?? For the rest of us the army would be easier to convert (if it was needed) and would turn out a lot nicer in the end.
Old models would probably go up in price a lot, for those nostalgic about the hats.
A new range goes hand in hand with a new army book.
There won't be one without the other.
I take your point, but I really want a new army book....
I agree on some points.
Yeah I love what I have made for my CDs to date and they will be afforded a higher degree of respect amongst my other armies. This to me is also sort of a bad thing. Now I cant imagine I'm the only one to experience this sort of behavior, but I have played in several stores where your models aren't always safe.
Occasionally you play that young kid who thinks its alright to pick up your models and take a closer look of their own. At which point you feel like doing what their parents havent been able to do and back hand some sense into the brats (thats how I feel atleast).
I once witnessed this group of teenage wankers come into a store, go up to this kids model carrier, and start pulling out his stuff. They laughed at how lame they thought it all was, and threw it back into the carrier. Had that been me, and it was a newly converted earthshaker they pulled out for example, I would have broken every bone in the hand that touched it!!
Now this might not be as bad as what everyone else experiences on this forum, but for me its an unfortunate fact of life. Models break, one way or another, and if its broken by someone's carelessness it incites me to violence. When my other models break, ones that have come off a range, its frustrating but less so than when CDs bend and snap.
The community is good because its not very big. The only people on here are the ones dedicated enough to actually creating their own CD army from scratch. Everyone also seems to share a sense that we need to represent CDs to the best of our ability. This creates the aforementioned camaraderie, where everyone shares ideas to make for better CDs. No other army in warhammer is as unsure of its future as we are, so other forums don't have that element that makes CDO so special.
The problems are that the two CD forums I know (CDO and HoH) aren't very large. Some people are registered on both, and comparatively few are regular posters. To GW this indicates that remaking CDs would be a gamble, almost as much so as making a new army all together and hoping it builds enough fan base to sell well. The way things are today, I'm not sure GW would be comfortable making that leap.
A new range for CDs cant make everyone happy, none ever do. However, its the only way GW would likely make a new book for CDs. I don't see them making a new book unless there are models to go with it. If thats what it takes to revitalize the army then I am all for it. It does suck to think that you will essentially become just another army, but unless they get a new model range and book I can't see the CDs surviving any extended amount of time. Before you know it we are mentioned only in passing, like the empire of Cathay...
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To GW this indicates that remaking CDs would be a gamble, almost as much so as making a new army all together and hoping it builds enough fan base to sell well. The way things are today, I'm not sure GW would be comfortable making that leap.
I always find in interesting when people think GW will base its sales predictions on the current CD fanbase (which is only small because we collect an army that never had a real armybook, and has been unsupported since RH). To GW CD would be a new army, to 99% of the buying public it would effectively be a new army.
I agree they would have to be VERY comfortable taking a leap with a new army at the moment. With profits/ sales the way they are, they are sensible I guess to stick with what they know will sell. When they turn the corner and start making decent profits again (2010 probably), they really should consider a completely new army for warhammer. It would add yet another facet to the warhammer world, and with sufficient hype could be a big seller (everybody wanting to collect an army that is brand new).
I seriously doubt GW would consider involving the current CD community in the book, or even pay us any attention whatsoever. Certain armies/forums have done well in the past with the design team because of contacts people have (like the Druchii inspired update of the DE list), the updated FAW of some armies, or decent campaign fluff. Added to this, GW appears to have killed all external playtesting.
I always find in interesting when people think GW will base its sales predictions on the current CD fanbase (which is only small because we collect an army that never had a real armybook, and has been unsupported since RH). To GW CD would be a new army, to 99% of the buying public it would effectively be a new army.
I just meant that becasue CD have a fan base doesn't make GW anymore comfortable with recreating them. Being that we are such a small fraction of players I doubt they could get a good prediction of sales from us even if they wanted to.
You're coming from the premise that GW engages in Market Research and analysis. They might in the future but I've yet to see that they do. In the past GW did whatever popped into their collective brain(s) or (lack thereof) at that moment; highly unlikely that will happen now that they are a publicly held corporation.
Chaos Dwarfs is a case of not listening by GWs part. We wanted an army they wouldnt do it, so we did it for ourselves...
That is not our fault either, if GW made CD models I'd buy them (and modify them if I didnt like the look), rather then having to go through the lengths I am forced to now.
Of course others will have different takes on it. As recently reiterated in the other thread I will be watching this thread carefully. If anyone has things they disagree with, fine. However do so in a manner consistent with the Mission Statement of CDO.
This topic HAS been started before. I just typed all of this out and it didn't post, so forgive me if it's not that good. First of all: a new range wouldn't make your models redundant. if you collect big hats, you still could. If you like to convert your models, there'd be nothing stopping you. It's not as though GW rip away your models or ability to obtain models when they bring out a new range. We'd also get a book, don't forget. As for all of this stuff about the community being better than elsewhere, it's entirely unrelated to the fact we collect CDs. DoW are in the same situation as us, don't forget. The reason our community is good, is because we're all generally nice. We are noce to EACH OTHER because we met each other playing CDs and are nice.
End of the day, a new range isn't likely to be coming out any time soon. Even if it did, you then have a new army book, your home-made/collected army and the option to buy more easily obtainable/cheaper (barely)/different models. It hasn;t got a downside, except for the fact that the rulebook might omit a unit, but that'd be a problem with a new book coming out, not the range...
The best solution is to never give up! Keep CDO out there and in the forefront promote it everywhere. Wear your t-shirts! Etc.
yea !!! now you guys are more like pirates Yaaaag.let drink and go fight something.
That is what most will do. There have been numerous discussions about that very thing. The problem is the 25mm base and the cav base are not represented in the dwarf army unless one uses DoW for ones rare choices... Using a rare choice to field hobbo wolf riders as DoW light cav? They are cool, but not that cool.
Many do do this and as for GWers not using CDs, there is a famed CD army by Chris Auben (I believe) that uses Dwarf rules and converted CD models. Not to mention, our Lord came VERY high up in a lot of countries in the top 25 miniatures of all time! It was 3rd out of the staffers choices too! Says something, doesn't it?
The question is does the nastalga factor get translated into action thou...
It's possible, but it's also possible it doesn't.
Well if i play a dwarf list i rather play my dwarfs.We have list already just let us play gw
We need to evolve too, not just try to fit the RH list to Dwarfs.
I'm not against anything new far from it. In fact one could:
- easily add another Core Choice. Dwarf crossbows perhaps?
- Eliminate goblins from the specials
- Add another warmachine to specials
- Conceivably revamp or eliminate Sneaky Gits
- Hell, throw in a unit of mechanical deamon powered bulls ridden by chaos dwarfs.
- Hell cannon as a 0-1
- remake or come up with band new war machines, similar to the whirlwind and tnderizer but make them daemon powered.
- Lava magic
There could be any number of things done without having to revamp the whole list, but if comes down to no list or totally new list I'll grumble, buy into it, and hope they fix it in the next edition. Partf of the charm for me is the seemingly discordant parts to the list, which are a blast to assemble together.
If and when GW does CDs again it is a foregone conclusion... GW won't do a army without Core plastics from here on out. and if that happens that means new figure line.
I agree with what Willmark has said. Notice all of the core plastics coming out? Corsairs for Dark Elves, Bloodletters and Daemonettes for Daemons etc etc...
I agree my friend, I don't think I want them to bring back the little chaotic dwarfs.
However I'll like if their will make a new army list that was playable in tournaments, just put it in the White Dwarf like with the Mortals of Chaos list
One thing is for sure we need an update. I played my first game with the stuntie... Against Woodies. The disparate nature of the two could not be further.