I had respect for a lot of the early rap: it was quite political and appealed to my punk rock vibe at the time. I was a big fan of the Timezone project with Johnny Rotten and Afrika Bambaataa and "Crack killed Applejack" by General Kane is still one of my favourite songs.
Both punk and rap/hip hip are pretty much debased commerical forms of what they used be. I'm not sure which is worse: posturing fools in gold chains or whiney suburban nerds going all emo on me.
There - rant off my chest
I like rap, but only if it is done well. Which, it VERY rarely is, to be honest. As for disco music, I like actual disco music, but it's old skool then. Current disco music (what I refer to as club music), IMO usually sucks. Not to say that it isn't catchy at times.
Are you talking east cost or west coast rap or old school or new school rap
well if you can dance one form of music is about the same as the rest disco is great dancing music
i love to dance!!!!!
What do you mean by 'disco'; the only disco I know is John Travolta style. Do you mean rave music?
Not so much on either rap or disco, blagh is about all I can say. there is some rap that is ok, disco/club music.... no
Disco and techno being lumped into the same category is giving me a brain aneurysm.
Rap and Disco per se do not bother me. What bothers me is the fact that they are broadcast on radio and television.
Rap and Disco are like sado-masochism - if you're into that kind of thing fine, but at least have the common decency to do it in private.
I'm consistently amazed by people who make sweeping statements about musical genres. How can you hate all rap? Have you heard every rap song ever made? And is it certain aspects of rap songs that people dislike? If so, how do you deal with cross-genre songs (collaborations between rappers and rock groups for example) or even cross-genre bands (Gorillaz have already been mentioned - what about Rage Against The Machine?)?
In my experience, most people who voice opinions like these are really just riling against the subculture associated with the given genre rather than the actual music itself. After all, most popular music is really the same basic art form when you get down to it - there isn't enough ground, musically, between something by Queen and something by OutKast to result in this kind of vitriol, I don't think.
I assure you there is no conspiracy involved against any sub-culture.
I simply do not like rap music. The main reason for this is that I find it banal and repetitive and seemingly more interested in promoting sports cars and jewellery rather than any real innovation in music.
The only rap songs I have ever heard that I came even close to liking were Grand Master Flash tunes and even then I wouldn't want to listen to them too often.
This in much the same reason that I dislike Reggae and a lot of modern pop music (although a lot of older pop and rock music can no doubt be criticised for the same reasons).
As you astutely observe I have indeed not heard every Rap song ever made (kudos to you), however if I hear one I like then rest assured that you will be the first to know (well, the second if you count me).
And to answer your question, no I do not like Rage against the Machine or Gorillaz. Rage against the Machine annoy me because the sheer hypocricy of a band railing against the free market while earning millions in record sales is, frankly, nauseating.
Tom Morello sez:
"When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart."
Not that I agree, but he's obviously thought about it. I don't agree with Rage's message in anything but a broad sense, but I sure like the music.
Nooooooo don't say reggae wallacer. That's one of the best music out there... free the mind and the body will follow. Heymon
I'm consistently amazed by people who make sweeping statements about musical genres. How can you hate all rap?
Who said anything about hating rap?
O I do love music threads and peoples' opinions on music.
I notice that people tend to have strong opinions about "music" and feel the need to express them.
Who said anything about hating rap?
Godbob, in the first post of this thread.
I had respect for a lot of the early rap: it was quite political and appealed to my punk rock vibe at the time. I was a big fan of the Timezone project with Johnny Rotten and Afrika Bambaataa and "Crack killed Applejack" by General Kane is still one of my favourite songs.
Both punk and rap/hip hip are pretty much debased commerical forms of what they used be. I'm not sure which is worse: posturing fools in gold chains or whiney suburban nerds going all emo on me.
There - rant off my chest
Quite agree Grumpas, well put 
Speaking of emo, the evolution of the term from the mid-80's to now is something like watching a tragedy.
Well a tragedy always ends in death so there's hope 
It's probably worth remembering that everyone thinks the music that was popular when they were young was the best ever, and everything else (that's different) is terrible or, if it's similar, usually a slavish imitation. People who were middle-aged in the 60s said The Beatles were trash, remember.
It's like that old technology maxim: anything invented before you were born is just a normal part of life, anything invented in the first third of your life is exciting and novel, anything invented in the second third of your life is strange and incomprehensible and anything invented in the final third of your life is an affront against society and ought to be made illegal.
I'm just about old enough that some genres of music now popular with people younger than me seem kind of weird and I'm well past the "anything new is awesome!" stage.
Possible with music, technology I'm not sold on. That depends on way too many factors. Music I would dare say, more then anything else is tied to emotion. Music resenates with those emotions that (at least at the present time) technology does not.
It kinda like this: in ones youth everything is more beautiful, more resonating, fresher, because we are/were young. Its a time of so many firsts, the music of that time and place transports one back to that time when things were simplier, less hectic. That is why we idealize relationships of our youth, "the perfect girlfriend", etc. In a way thou music is the same its a reflection lost and locked in that time as our/ones memories. You'll never be there again, however music can bring one back to it, however brief the time.
As an asside for those who are younger and think your life is hectic now... You ain't seen nothing yet.
Hmmm being a youff during the punk era i sort of like music from all genres as there is generally good and bad forms of all music.Also as i have aged my tastes have evolved and continue to do so.
I used to run an all night techno club and hold illegal raves in the country and did so for many years when i moved i gave my 10k sound system to friends who still do so.
I dont apreciate the commerciallised forms of most music as its bland consumerism but there are songs of merit even amongst pop,disco and rap
