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............I have no idea whats going on here. Ill just vote yes.

Yeah, everyone hates girls.

Careful Zorn, apparently Roboute Guilliman's coming out of stasis and papa smurf or not, he's still a 7ft tall, genetically engineered killing machine.

OT - Does anybody else think of Robert Goulet when talking about the Ultra's primarch?

No.

In name terms alone i mean. I don't mean Mr Power Armour doing a spell of lounge singing. I think the tash alone excludes him from being a primarch.......Russ and Jaghatai excepted naturally

Also Zorn, why does the fact the Fists have yellow armour make Dorn 'suck', do you know how much preparation and layering those marines spent on their uniform. We all know the White scars just undercoat theirs and leave it at that

But in all seriousness, what is the purpose of this as it seems you've already answered it with your first post. If chaos primarchs and several loyalists don't 'suck' then the answer will be a no. As well as the fact that there are two missing so even if all of the the rest....*sigh*...'sucked' then the other two could be shaft and superfly for all we know

Personally, I think over the years GW has perfected the background fluff of the Primarchs and it is great reading material.

One of the few Chapters I never really liked before were the Alpha Legion. But the 'great' (fanboy here! ) Dan Abnett has changed even that with the Horus Heresy series book: Legion. Which I can recommend to anyone!

I only think "loyalist" guys suck because they didn't defect to Chaos, he he he.

The only book I own so far of the Horus Heresy line is "Fulgrim", and after reading about the exploits of Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, I can definitely say no sir, they don't suck.

Don't forget the Night Lords' Primarch, Night Haunter.

Because he was.. y'know..like Batman.

Ok, so Night Haunter was like Chuck Norris in a Batman costume doing a Bruce Campbell impression.

nothing can be that awesome

Ferrus Mannus anyone? Iron Man? Anyone else think that Spacewolves, Iron Hands and White Scars are all variations on the same theme?

The Primarchs are seriously the best thing about space marines, and are the only thing that really sets my mind wondering.

The Horus Heresy books are some of the best books around, I've enjoyed everyone so far!

Horus is a great character, not too different from Darth Vader - everyone thinks of him as the epitimy of evil but he really he has a quite sad story, far from evil, more of a result of evil.

Just for Horus alone, Primarchs definetly do not suck!!

I say no, because, technically, the primarch of the daemonhunters is the emperor himself, and he designed all of the other primarchs. But most of the rest of the primarchs are not as great as they should be for their positions...

My thoughts anyway.

w00t!!! I am the only one whom zorn couldnt argue with or disprove... That means im the only one left... That means i win!!! I win! I actually won something!!!

Still, valid point zorn, nobody likes smurfs!

All space marines suck! I vote yes!

Filipicusius: are you including Chaos Space Marines as Space Marines?

Sousonou: The Emperor failed: The Primarchs were meant to be his purest of heart and least likely to succumb to heresy, yet (I'm not sure if he was or not) his Lieutenant-esque Primarch (Horus, who was nonetheless a very prominant Primarch) was the one that fell from "the Light" and gathered other "righteous" Primarchs to his side and attacked, grievously wounding the Emperor. Therefore, A) you're wrong and Nobody disputed my ruling of Chaos Space Marines being cool, other than maybe Filipicusius, who thinks all Space Marines suck anyway.

In closing: I never said they all suck and so we're both right, but your Primarch sucks worse than mine

H.B: Touché

What can I say? I try

Aye, but that guy didn't kill the Emperor That means they either BOTH pwn like mad or both suck like a black hole after Ramadan...