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For anyone interested there is a fairly lengthy reply about his view on CD:

http://www.morningsomewhere.com/bugeater/?p=123
Can you summarize it? Good news? Anything definite?
Personally I think it was a really good interview... I found the SOC discussion particularly interesting. Unfortunately there was nothing new for CDs in there.
It is a valid argument he made for and against doing a complete WA:CD range.  Think of all the space marines they could make with that time and money.. Mad

But then they have shown a willingness to create whole new ranges every now and then in the past.
Pretty much what I've been saying all along, in fact - a new army is always a risk when Space Marines, Empire and Orcs and Goblins are such a sure thing.
Same reason why Hollywood is fixated on remakes.

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I also think that is is a genuine concern that a release of a new book could become a non-event because it’s been given out in dribs and drabs for months… Generally, a Codex or army book will be finished at least half a year before it actually hits the shelves, which means any meaningful feedback would have to be gathered at least nine months before release. The other problem is that many ‘balance’ issues might arise from new units or other elements being introduced to an army, and I can see that spoiling the surprise (to put it bluntly) by releasing details of that unit so early would be counter-productive.

I found this to be the most interesting.

I don't know where they come from but where I'm at the release of a book is already a "non-event". I hardly have time to react that a new book is out when the next one hits WD. Blipping past with a speed of one book a month is just as non-spectacular as dribbling one book out over a longer period.

What points is the "surprise" when there's no models to sell with the surprise models anyway.

I think he's comparing it to the "Army of the Month" period during 3rd Edition 40K, where not only was there a Codex released every month, but also frequently many variant lists appearing in White Dwarf. Now at least it's one thing each month - not "one thing for each system, plus a bunch of rubbish little things that were never playtested".
GWs keepng things close to the vest is supposed to be to builys suprise. More cynically to keep the masses buying. GW doesn't seem to get that there are now people who will just wait until they hear news about the army they want. There are always those they will keep buying no matter what or the mythical ten year old gamer... Suffice of to say this will prove interesting.
Well, I hope they hurry up and build something for us soon!

Don't they pay attention to the GT Indy players and people showing up in CDO shirts, not to mention this web site?

Um....hello GW....I think we're showing some support of CD's even if you aren't!

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More cynically to keep the masses buying


Isn't that the idea?

I don't think it is directly.  I think GW see the people on forums as a relatively small part of their overall business strategy, and the effort/ resources it would take to regularly leak out information months in advance like clockwork is more than they want to spend.

Added to that, they probably presume we are all dumb enough to buy every new army that comes out.

So the lack of information should not be seen only as a ploy to get us to spend more, though it is a big reason why I think.  Considering the numbers of customers that leave them though you'd think it would be an idea to do something to try and keep them.

The strange thing though is they do follow rumour discussions generally very closely.

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I think GW see the people on forums as a relatively small part of their overall business strategy


We are. The internet crowd are a very vocal minority.

I always thought it would be interesting if people did a massive survey of gaming groups, GW stores etc to see how many people are actually on wargame forums.

Also, how many people learn about upcoming releases from wargame forums (or indirectly from people who are).
Probably fewer than you think. Warseer is probably the biggest GW-related forum around, and it has 12,000-odd active members (according to the stats at the bottom). That's not a large percentage of the game-playing public.
Im amazed the SoC Question wasnt about how Gav and the other organizers completely ignored the submitted results and basically let Chaos skip over any areas that were holding them up... Namely Bohsenfels.

Thommy H Wrote:
Probably fewer than you think. Warseer is probably the biggest GW-related forum around, and it has 12,000-odd active members (according to the stats at the bottom). That's not a large percentage of the game-playing public.


I've quickly added together the members for the 7 largest forums I know of, and using your 12,000 figure as a % overall it comes out as about 35,000 active members (which may of course include duplication).  Bear in mind that this is only the currently active members, we will assume that lurkers don't count as active.

Now if those 35,000 know 5 people who are not on forums to share news and discuss things, that's 175,000 people already.  Which must be a fair chunk of the GW market globally I imagine, and that is only 7 forums.

It's all guesswork really, as probably most of those people don't follow news or discussions at all anyway.  But then those who don't use forums may not either.

Demographically it would be very different of course, as I don't see many 12 year olds on forums...

Happy

Anyhow, back on topic.  I think Servius that Gav only mentioned in passing before the campaign the fact that it would follow a story.  In hindsight we all should have read a lot more into that comment, as it was obvious what it meant.  Chaos got hopelessly whipped anyway, they should have done the map so the chaos attack could fight on many fronts and still besiege Middenheim, by a global modifier.  I.e. instead of only registering at key locations, the chaos wins collectively counted in all locations simultaneously, but the wins of everyone else only counted at one location each time.

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I've quickly added together the members for the 7 largest forums I know of


Don't you think there's a fair amount of overlap? Pretty much everyone has some presence on Warseer, which is why I chose it for my figure.

Well back in the SoC days i was an Avid Kislev Player.. and it chapped our arse that Chaos basically overtook Kislev without a fight.. so me and like 100 other players who supported Kislev as a standing army formed together on Warhammer Empire and Took a stand in the north of Ostland for the Glory of Kislev..  We held up the Tzeentch Advance for almost Half the Campaign.. then in the story one week out of nowhere they wrote that Archaon went up killed the general of that army and put his son in charge.. the next week the Tzeentch army jumped straight over our blockade basically to be on par with the rest of the armies as far as progress... When it was pitched to the players, SoC was said to be a way for Players to effect the history of the storyline of the game... While I never expected Chaos to win in any truely meaningful way (maybe they take it then something bad happens like the Skaven Doom-Hemisphere ends up being a neutron bomb or the like) regardless, I always thought that basically ignoring the battle reports completely for the sake of their obviously pre-planned, pre-written campaign story was a cop-out considering how the Campaign was Original pitched. The only campaigns I participated in that GW supported that I ended with a Feeling that I wanted to do it again or that I simply didnt feel like i have been conn'ed was Dark Shadows and Eye of Terror

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I think GW see the people on forums as a relatively small part of their overall business strategy


We are. The internet crowd are a very vocal minority.


Of course most other industries have grasped the concept of "lead users" and how important they are.

If me and my friend would abandon GW they'd quickly loose about 20 customers as there'd be noone to keep the gaming going around here. Also the reason other gaming systems haven't taken hold here. We can't be arsed to learn new ones.

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