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So my game store still has the box of 20 Black Orcs that were released a few months ago and I was thinking of picking them up for my CD.

But do people ever use them? I was thinking they could be pretty good with all the weapon options that they come with. The seem like they could be rock hard or really killy. Have people used them with the CDs at all?

Thanks,
-brimmstorm

I normally use them, for fluff wise reasons. But you could probably use a unit of big'uns for a similar effect for a lower price. Nothing stops you from using the blorcs as biguns though.

Also, your opponent will probably shoot against your blorcs with everything he haves. Don't know why, but people fear them to death.

You could always put a hobgoblin screen in from of them? That would save them from some shooting that way. I was thinking that they would be good since they have all the weapon options, are str, and t 4, and wear heavy armor. I think I'm going to pick up the box since I would like to start Orcs and Gobbos since I use some for my CDs.

-brimmstorm

The models are ace, don't forget.  Even if you use them as regular orcs, they are awesome.  Maybe don't use the helmets in that case. Hehe.  I will pick up some of these when I finish more core units.

Never have I used them but against me there killing machine's in large units which is awsome.

I tend to try and field units of possibly similar points value (heroes, units, machines - all from 80 to 180 points), so black orcs aren't the best option here, cause they cost A LOT (like 14p/model with shield). Still, I would field them in larger battles, like a fun tournament we have in september - 5k points a side, I'll post my roster in just a moment!
Maybe I should test them in normal battles rather as a flanking unit - 12 BO with a musician is a nice idea! They get 12 A with S5 charging!

Well I bought them and they are one of the best kits I have ever assembled from GW.

I am goingo to use them this coming week and see how they do and I'll post here what I found.

-brimmstorm

Black Orcs are awesome, but like arashi said, the oponent does tend to throw everything hes got at them, so be prepared to lose them.  This can work out well though, because while hes concentrating on those 20 blorcs, he doesnt see those centaurs charging up his flank!  Also, even though you should plan on them dying, blorcs are tough enough that there will still be enough of them do some damage when they finally do get into combat.

Blorcs suck... get Big 'Uns...

yup... Blorcs are competeing directly with either our core infantry... or Big 'uns...
both of which will do the same job for cheaper... so you dont care so much when they die...

Blorcs used to be alright in 6th...
olde quell animosity was a godsend for the army...
the loss of magic banners and the infamous S7 Blorcs champ...
ranks them just above goblins as our second worst special choice...

I think you nailed it.  Not to mention the cool history tied to Chaos Dwarfs.

so are Big 'Uns at 3 points cheaper per model...

My son's nicked most of my orc models, but not the Black Orcs.  

On a fluff note, I have a problem with putting champions/Bosses into the units - wouldn't we be killing off the larger slaves who can fight really well?

a large quantity of slaves has to have a slave master. And they respond better to one of their own who's closer with both their masters and the rest of the slaves than they would to a chaos dwarf in the lead. Without a slave master they should squabble as much as the regular orcs do.

I don't know whether to take Black Orcs or not... I think what I should do is use as many slaves as I have on the site. so far that makes 3... and I have an old black orc, a regular orc, and a slayer bound by rope.

I'm thinking of coming up with a hodge podge unit of 20mm guys to use for goblins. However well it does, it'll be pretty cool to paint a unit with about one of everything.

I have recently been running 2 units of standard orcs with LA, S, and chopper w/full cmd. They were going great till animosity screwed my plans over at very crucial times in a few games. So i exchanged them for a unit of Blorcs. For 14pts you have the option to turtle up for a 3+ save w/S5 choppas, 2 x S5 attacks each or S6 still with a 5+ save. Compared to Big'uns, where after you spend the pts for a shield and 2HW, you are paying 2pts to have HA, GW and not suffer from animosity. BARGAIN if you ask me! Just my 2c.

Cheers,
MAtty

when was the last time you bought add HW AND GW for any model?
AttT was the stupidest rule ever...

AttT is all about flexibility. It might be fine for those that design a list specifically for each time they play a different opponent and only want/need a HW, but when you facing from high armour save infantry/knights through to horde infantry you wish you had the flexibility. As stated, no animosity is worth the extra pts.

As for the last time I bought add HW and GW for models??? Besides characters and the free upgrade for BC and the lost sneeky gits, only once with the warriors. Though as we know they suck with GW's as the get out charged and are only S5 for 11pts a model. Though with other races/armies I have heaps of times to great effect. Anyways, just my opinion.

Cheers,
MAtty

i meant on the same model... have you EVER bough add HWs and GWs on the same model... EVER?
flexibility? no sir its a nerf... they should be a point cheaper and come with GWs alone...
or better yet... come with neither and let you pick what you want...
wanna go S5 hits withe 3+ save? 12 points...

Blorcs lost Quell Animosity, The infamous S7 Champ, and the ability to use magic banners in a CD list...
and for these lovely losses they got a price increase and weapons they can use half of the time...
and still dont come with a friggin shield...

Off the top of my head i can't recall ANY units that allow you to take both a GW and add HW, so no, I havn't...

I agree that they have lost alot since last ed. But that's not the point as this is 7th ed. and they are still a better option than Big'uns IMHO.

Cheers,
MAtty

black orcs dont fill in any role that chaos dwarfs cant but they are very powerful and i take them every game