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It might of worked back in 3rd edition when chaos dwarfs were part of chaos armies but i dont think it would work so well now. They dont worship the chaos gods so they shouldn't be using chaos icons.
Volcanos look good as well. Like waht the lord on taurus' banner looks like. If you have the army book there is a whole page of banners at the back. If you dont ill try and get a scan.
Remember that Chaos Dwarfs don't actually call themselves that. They call themselves Dawi'Zharr- literally translated as Fire Dwarfs, more correctly interpreted as "Dwarfs of the Place of Fire." Aside from extreme circumstances such as a daemonsmith going crazy when a daemon-binding experiment goes wrong or a slaver party going too far north, Chaos Dwarfs don't worship the Chaos Gods, they have an ordered society, they don't have random mutations, and they're concerned with gold and wealth rather than simply destroying everything.

The name Chaos Dwarfs could be explained by it being an insult from Western Dwarfs- after all, Chaos Dwarfs were mutated by getting tusks or the lower bodies of bulls. Others choose to use the Winds of Chaos rather than using runes, and as a result the sorcerors turn to stone. The western Dwarfs would see us as degenerate mutants, and thus the name Chaos Dwarfs could be used as an insult.
I have read over this topic and I am a bit disappointed.

Mission Statement of CDO Wrote:
So long as the popularity of Warhammer continues, a source is needed for the Chaos Dwarf army to keep pace. Chaos Dwarfs Online provides a community with a forum for members to learn about, inform others about, contribute to, and evolve the Chaos Dwarf army in a welcoming and open minded environment. Chaos Dwarf generals, old and new, can unite under a common banner that Chaos Dwarfs Online is happy to provide.


I wrote this mission statement for a reason.  

Wallacer, and every other person has the right to their opinion.  It is not the job of myself, or anyone else here to disallow him this right.  He expressed his opinion about the morality of slavery in a very open and non-threatening way.  When Thommy H took offensive to this, Wallacer very politely asked that if he wished to discuss the matter that he would be willing to do it by PM.

Thommy H Wrote:
We're not discussing the historical fact of slavery, we're discussing whether forced servitude, as a concept, it one which can be considered evil. There should be no debate on that subject.

Emphasis mine.

The fact is that Wallacer is discussing the historical morality of slavery.  If I understand him, he is suggesting that in a time where slavery is deemed commonplace by society it would not be a factor in determining whether or not "Chaos Dwarfs consider themselves Evil" which is what this topic has been addressing.  Wallacer is making a valid role playing argument here and was polite about it.

Thommy H Wrote:
Just because they don't think it's evil, doesn't mean that we, from our position as outside observers of a fictional society, can't condemn them. They're an evil race.

You will have next to no disagreement here.  But the fact is the topic is talking about Chaos Dwarfs, and whether they consider themselves to be evil.  Maybe they do, maybe they do not, that's why it is called a discussion.  Some people may be of the opinion that when a person from the Old World is determining if the Chaos Dwarfs are evil, that slavery may not be considered as an evil thing, and may not weigh in to their decision, based on historical morality.

Slavery is not moral.  Command over another's free will is appalling.  But you must accept that their were times when this was not the moral code.  In Roman times for example people had slaves.  "Good" people had slaves.  Such people would not consider themselves, in that time, in that context, to be bad.  If now they were alive and had to look at their own morality again, they may think otherwise but the fact remains that slavery was not always considered evil in and of itself.

The matter on that is closed.  I respect both sides of the argument.  However, I cannot accept intolerant and hurtful comments on this forum, it goes against everything this forum represents.

These sorts of comments are not acceptable and are deliberate character attacks:

Thommy H Wrote:
I think you should reconsider how you define your moral code.

Thommy H Wrote:
Anyone who disagrees is insane or stupid. Pick whichever one you prefer.

Thommy H Wrote:
God almighty ... No one in the modern age with more than half a brain thinks...

Thommy H Wrote:
My intent was to offend, I assure you.


Each of these comments is going to cost one slave.  Thommy H, if you intend to continue to be a part of this forum I expect no more such comments.  You are a valued member of this community, but I will not stand such an attitude towards other members, I don't care if they are talking about the most vile sin imaginable, I will not have such a negative attitude.  You have been warned.  Thommy H, if you feel the need to discuss this with me, please send me a PM.

Let's get back to the fun that is Chaos Dwarfs, shall we? Respect to the Mask!

if im not mistaken, every god in warhammer is chaos and each one is manifested by an emotion,

for example khorne is anger and sigmar is love.
hashut is probably greed.
i think slaneesh is kinky bondage

with that in mind when a person experiances an emotion the god of the respective emotion grows stronger

when a new emotion is discovered a new god of that emotion is born as during the sundering when the elves created slaneesh

wallacer Wrote:
Alright, so what caused the big bang?


chuck norris, or possibly the old ones

the old ones created a world as a haven , then left and created the lizardmen in their own image to act and guardians,

elves were the second race and the giant frog priests showed them magic and they fucked up and created chaos dueing the sunder, elves shows everyone else magic and then havok ensued. thus giving chaos all the magic it needed.

so if it wasnt the high elves chaos wouldnt exist tecniqually because they were the first race to show chaos like urges. plus warp stone didnt help

gIL^ Wrote:

wallacer Wrote:
Alright, so what caused the big bang?


chuck norris, or possibly the old ones

the old ones created a world as a haven , then left and created the lizardmen in their own image to act and guardians,

elves were the second race and the giant frog priests showed them magic and they fucked up and created chaos dueing the sunder, elves shows everyone else magic and then havok ensued. thus giving chaos all the magic it needed.

so if it wasnt the high elves chaos wouldnt exist tecniqually because they were the first race to show chaos like urges. plus warp stone didnt help

Tallhat

What is it with you and horrible titles?? Happy

- Tallhat

Bill-117

Gnobboslayer?

Bill-117

Kinslayer is good, I like that.. What would be better is a Chaos Dwarf invasion of like, Karaz-a-Karak or some other Dwarf fortress. Then we could see some Chaos Dwarf big things in use, like Kollosi and the cannons that wouldn't be used against a crazy Slayer and his human pal.

Tallhat

Bill-117 Wrote:
Kinslayer is good, I like that.. What would be better is a Chaos Dwarf invasion of like, Karaz-a-Karak or some other Dwarf fortress. Then we could see some Chaos Dwarf big things in use, like Kollosi and the cannons that wouldn't be used against a crazy Slayer and his human pal.


An invasion of the dwarf capital? Not bloody likely Im afraid. Happy Chances are that we wont ever see the CD in anything but ordinary battles or against small outposts. Would be way to great an impact on the gaming world if they were to conquer one of the holds.

- Tallhat

Tallhat

*Swings Kera around in the manner of Red Butler vs Scarlet O' Hara* Zen all ze wold zhall faal before our feet! Tongue

- Tallhat

Tallhat

*Tallhat swings his favorite axe around chopping of a poor goblins head standing next to him* Vee zhall make zis woorld burrn underr ourr fierry ztep! Praize be to Hashut! *Runs of into the sundown*

- Tallhat

Tallhat

Awwwwww... I thought you were with me on "Ze burning of ze weztern Kin"

- Tallhat

Bill-117

*follows happily with his Death Rocket and crew* We're gonna kill the man-lings, we're gonna kill the man-lings! *hums happily*

Bill-117

Beast... lessee if we can spam it up to 70. =D
WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT GETTING A ROOM!!!! STOP SPAMMING!!!

Bill-117

All he needs is one good f- friend. Friend. Yeah... Takes Hat off

Bill-117 Wrote:
All he needs is one good f- friend. Friend. Yeah... Takes Hat off


Im loving all these replies bill. I need to compile them all. I dont think tallhat is going to be too pleased with that comment though Happy

Bill-117

^_^ Thanks.
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