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Mantic.. kickstarter project?zobo1942 05-25-2012
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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?beefcake 05-25-2012

I was just going to start this exact thread. I'll get my werewolf kick from this + more undead for me I think.

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Time of Madness 05-25-2012

Did this just start today? They are almost at there goal. It will be interesting to see if any of the big limited prizes get picked up.

The highest pledge so far is $275.00 (which 3 people have pledged).
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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?bas_2312 05-25-2012

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Did this just start today? They are almost at there goal. It will be interesting to see if any of the big limited prizes get picked up.

The highest pledge so far is $275.00 (which 3 people have pledged).
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An hour ago they were at 400 dollars, so it's going fast.

I'm not really a fan of Mantic's mini's, but it's good to see them getting supported Happy


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?gIL^ 05-25-2012

I find it awesome that mantics doing well, But shouldn't Kickstarter be for new companies that can't afford to do this already?

Mantic won't die without these donations and is it possible a smaller business that needs help might suffer?

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Shakhorth 05-26-2012

Well they got their target of $5000.

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?brotsorrow 05-26-2012

Forgive me for not understanding this "kickstarter" since i am new to any other miniature company than GW and FW - this guy wants people to donate money to help start off new armies that we have to purchase?

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Golder Goldeater 05-26-2012

Good news from goodol' Mantic!



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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Kera foehunter 05-26-2012

I like to see more on there ogre!! now this has my attention


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?cornixt 05-26-2012

They have more than met their $5000 goal, including a couple of high-roller bids. I'm not sure why they did this though, surely they could have raised that money themselves through a small business loan - unless they are already heavily in debt!

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Time of Madness 05-26-2012

I can't believe how much money this has raised! It has really exceeded Mantics expectations (of $5000.00).
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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Shakhorth 05-26-2012

At the moment they stand at $26.000 and it's still going.
Still got 28 days to go...

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?MLP 05-26-2012

well I looked at it about six hours ago and it was at $170 so it's doing pretty good! $5k is a bit low really, I'm sure they'll do very well. Having 28 days left they could easily earn half a million.


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?beefcake 05-27-2012

"New Stretch Goals -
if we hit...

$15,000 - a free copy of the electronic rules for every pledge over $100 and their copy of the hardback rulebook signed by Ronnie and Alessio.

$20,000 - we will sculpt the Ogres Army from the video. This unit (3 models) was not scheduled for ages, but this level of funding will let us get them done! We will add them to the site on Monday with a 'buy 1 unit, get one free' choice too.

$25,000 - a free lithoprint of the new Mantica map for anyone who has pledged at the $100 level or above - and it will be signed by Ronnie.

$35,000 - Mantic Dice - we will change the dice from normal D6 to ones with a Mantic splat on one face. All pledges for Soldier and upwards ($35+) that have dice will now get a set of the new limited edition plastic 'Mantic Splat' dice instead. The $5 dice set will now be Mantic splat dice too.

On Monday we will set further stretch goals and post some new plastic projects that your funding will allow us to deliver. We will also update the available pledge levels with Abyssal Dwarf, Twilight Kin and Goblin armies and all the new units. Please keep the suggestions coming via the comments above, or on the Mantic Games Facebook and the Mantic blog (they are really helping!) "

Looks like there will be the goblins and Abysal dwarves up for grabs on Monday as well. I'm also interested in those ogres!

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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?AGPO 05-28-2012

I'm really suprised to see Mantic using kickstarter. It's supposed to be for small start up businesses, whilst Mantic has an established business and range. It's really just an attempt to duck out of some costs, and they've gone down in my estimations.


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Discoking 05-28-2012

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I'm really suprised to see Mantic using kickstarter. It's supposed to be for small start up businesses, whilst Mantic has an established business and range. It's really just an attempt to duck out of some costs, and they've gone down in my estimations.


I'm with you on this.
If all they needed was $5000, they should have stopped once that goal was reached.

This just looks to be free income for them right now, & to clear themselves of debt.
Surely if they just made the models, people would buy them & then generate the money they needed, as they have done so far?

Am I missing something?


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?snowblizz 05-28-2012

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Forgive me for not understanding this "kickstarter" since i am new to any other miniature company than GW and FW - this guy wants people to donate money to help start off new armies that we have to purchase?

The idea here is "crowdsourcing" sort of. A traditional company takes a risk and hopes you'll want stuff, this is a way to make stuff you know people will want. Benefits both sides, they have less risk and you can get stuff that might not otherwise be done. Other miniatures companies have done polls or other pledges, this is a more formal way of doing it.

The way it is done depends on the project. E.g. it could be a sort of pre-purchase system or just donations, or a combination thereof. Most combine both.

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AGPO Wrote:
I'm really suprised to see Mantic using kickstarter. It's supposed to be for small start up businesses, whilst Mantic has an established business and range. It's really just an attempt to duck out of some costs, and they've gone down in my estimations.


I'm with you on this.
If all they needed was $5000, they should have stopped once that goal was reached.

This just looks to be free income for them right now, & to clear themselves of debt.
Surely if they just made the models, people would buy them & then generate the money they needed, as they have done so far?

Am I missing something?

I don't really feel it's appropriate to say that this technology/phenomena may only be used by X. You imply some other needy cause wants for this. That's just not right.

For one they cannot stop a drive even though it reaches it's goal. It runs it's time, successful or not. It probably makes sense to set a lower goal because if you fail to reach the mark it all fails. Clearly Mantic underestimated their appeal among people. So they should go to hell for that?

Mantic is a tiny flyspeck in the scheme of things though. I would still classify it as a start-up. Of course they could keep on doing what they do. But maybe they aren't as successful as you imply. This allows them to jumpstart ranges they might not have done or at least speed the process up. Yes it's lower risk and essentially free money for them, but then again if people feel this is a worthy cause to support who are you and I to complain about that?
AoW is running a drive currently too. In both cases they have bigger plans than the companies themselves can finance. Take AoW, what Spanish bank can they go to for a small-business loan today? When any of them could fold tomorrow. Sure they could grow organically, but that takes time, time we could cut shorter if we want to see the continue to succeed.

Take Rich Burlew and OOTS reprint drive, he asked for 58k to reprint some of the books. Could he have done it another way? Sure. He could have invested in one book run and waited until he made money back from that to print another. He chose to kick-start the reprint drive instead (pun intended). He got 1.25 million dollars to not only reprint ALL the books (allowing people like me to get hold of the whole series now), but fund other interesting stuff too for his fans. He writes some interesting stuff about the experience too.

Are you missing something? I don't know. It entirely depends on your POV. Makes perfect sense to me to use Kickstarter or something similar.


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Thommy H 05-28-2012

They ask for money in return for a reward if a target is met. Anyone who wants to gamble on that investment does so. If enough people do the same, they get the rewards and everyone wins.

Where's the scam there? It's ethically absolutely neutral. No one gets conned, everyone knows what they're getting into. It's about removing the middle man from commercial endeavours - customers support something with their donations, the company rewards them for their help with product. Democracy at work.

Fair play to them.


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Discoking 05-28-2012

Can someone explain the concept of money to me?
I think I'm missing something.


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RE: Mantic.. kickstarter project?Thommy H 05-28-2012

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