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The Barren ShrineAdmiral 07-31-2015

The Barren Shrine

Though sharing some physiological similarities through common ancestry, Dwarfs and Humans differ markedly in a number of ways.

Humans, on the one hand, are short-lived creatures, susceptible to disease, poisons, infected wounds and other hardships when compared to Dwarfs. Human populations consists of rough halves of males and females, and such factors as the insecurities of old age coupled with high child mortality has resulted in a high degree of breeding in Human societies all over the world. Furthermore, Humans are by their very nature endowed with strong reproductive drives, a fact which has shaped their laws, social customs and religions wherever Human settlements are to be found.

Dwarfs, on the other hand, are characterized by longevity as well as high toughness and resistance to sickness, wounds and hardships when compared to Humans. Dwarf populations consists of a clear male majority outnumbering a precious female minority several times over. Though Dwarfs are completely reliant on repeated births by each fertile woman for the population's sustainability, their low child mortality and their long and hard pregnancies still mean that the average Dwarf woman breed less children than the average Human woman. This potentially high competition for females among the much more numerous male Dwarfs are thoroughly counteracted by Dwarfen nature, which helps produce social stability. Male Dwarfs left without a wife will, for the most part, stoically accept their lot in life without social friction. Not every man can marry in their society. Indeed, Dwarfs often regard Humans as marital egoists.

Chaos Dwarfs, however, have been twisted by their devotion to the Father of Darkness and their long exposure to the dark powers of Hashut and the wider Chaos. Their bovine mutations are not mere facades, for their minds too have been shaped to some degree in the Bull God's image, both from bodily mutation and strongly patriarchical cultural customs handed down by the Temple priesthood. Many characteristics of uncorrupted Dwarfs remain with the Dawi Zharr, yet they are also greedier, much more cruel and bestowed with a ravenous hunger to dominate others. The bull is strong in some sons of the Father of Darkness, and their lusts may not easily be contained by their damaged Dwarfen natures.

Though promiscuity is nonexistent within Chaos Dwarf society, many males will occassionally crave for an outlet to their rampant drive to breed like a bull upon the females of their kind. This is particularly true for such hotheaded Chaos Dwarf menfolk who remain stationed at isolated outposts for long years on end. The capture of Dawi women is a rare occassion, and as such the only true venting of steam for unmarried Chaos Dwarf males exists within the Temple's outlying Barren Shrine. Located outside the walls of the great Temple of Hashut at the summit of Mingol Zharr-Naggrund, this is the residence of the Dawi Zharr institution of sacred prostitution.

Temple harlotry is not a widespread phenomenon, for it is virtually limited only to the ziggurat capitol. Among the Dwarfs of Fire, only women born barren may become Temple harlots, provided their male masters (including Sorcerer-Prophets who rule over the ladies' fathers) wishes for it to happen. The services of barren women may be offered up to the Temple as tribute, where they are initiated into the shadowy cult of Matzhkra the Leaden Trampled, in her aspect as the Barren One, stripped of both dignity and fertility by the overpowering violence of the Father of Darkness.

In Dawi Zharr mythology, Matzhkra was one of the Shackled Consorts of the Bull God, an unfortunate Chaos Dwarf woman turned insane by her heinous reforging and ascension to Hashut's realm, fit only to be His Slave Concubine. She symbolizes slavery and is associated with the metal lead, and by far the most Chaos Dwarfs believe her not to be infertile, but rather a heifer seized constantly by high Hashut and carrying His as of yet unborn offspring, of which many prophecies and legends are told. The ladies of the Barren Shrine, however, pay homage to her as a barren and unwilling harlot, protector of their profession and embodiment of their plight.

In the Shrine, the women learn to sing, play musical instruments, dance and please men in other ways. Numerous secret and occult practices - including impurity rites, anti-Slaaneshi prayers, forbidden mantras, and ashen cleansing - surrounds the damned sisterhood and its few low-ranking acolyte overseers. Some of the Temple harlots' most heinous services, however, are carried out in more or less bizarre ways as parts of carefully orchestrated arcane rituals to summon, capture, break and reforge particularly elusive Daemons of perversion and hedonism. These services in the Soulforges of Daemonsmiths are hazardous at best, for the vile Daemons and dark sorcery at play may all too easily lash out and damage or otherwise affect the sacred prostitutes who act as bait.

Visiting the Barren Shrine is in itself an impure act requiring ritual cleansing afterwards, and dire social stigma is attached to customers entering the priestly sanctioned brothel on most days of the year. As such, most initiated women live fairly ordinary lives outside the shrine most of the time, within the limits which their shunned social status permits. Only on certain appointed holy days are the doors of the Barren Shrine left wide open to the street. On these scattered days, none of the Temple harlots are allowed leave the Barren Shrine to work with weaving, leatherworking, slavedriving or any of their other everyday tasks. Instead, they stay at the Barren Shrine all the time, conducting hidden rites and receiving customers without sleeping until the sacred festivities end. Then, they collapse out of exhaustion, their religious duties for the celebrations carried out, riches earned for the Temple, the unmarried Chaos Dwarf menfolk sated, the bull served. Potent mystical meaning is attached to the Barren Shrine's function during such appointed holy days.

Barren Dawi Zharr women without grave social blemishes attain the highest status within the Barren Shrine. Then come the barren Chaos Dwarf dams who would have found themselves exiled into the Infernal Guard for various crimes and causes of shame, had they been men. Beneath this strata lies the rare few barren females of uncorrupted or bastardized Dwarf stock. Their fates are baleful indeed, for they are untold tales of misery and tragedy ending only in death or insanity. Indeed, there is a saying in Zharr-Naggrund: "Daemons spreading their malice in the Barren Shrine are wasted there like a torch cast into lava."

Though some married barren women exist amid the Dawi Zharr, none of them ever served at the Barren Shrine. For to do so is to become a pariah on the marriage market, a creature of shame not fit to enter a respectable man's harem.

Such is the wretchedness of the Temple harlots of the Blacksmiths of Chaos.


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RE: The Barren ShrineAdmiral 07-31-2015

Once, when Thommy H was asked from where he got his inspiration for Chaos Dwarf fluff, I joked with him and asked if CDs would have temple prostitution, since this custom apparently existed in Mesopotamia, and elsewhere in ancient times. At the time, I thought of it as inappropriate for Chaos Dwarfs. After all, wouldn't their women be far too valuable for such practices? Recently, however, it occured to me that a smaller form of sacred prostitution involving only barren women would work within the Warhammer setting's limitations. It'd be grimdark by its very nature, and it would capture that ancient Mesopotamian element in Chaos Dwarf society.

Does it makes sense to you? Yay or nay, please.


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RE: The Barren ShrineDînadan 07-31-2015

Sounds like it'd work for me.

On a side thought, temple prostitution (of a form) could work in vanilla dwarf society - a gentler version could be the female version of the slayer oath; similar to how in real life, the only Spartans that got grave stones were men who died in battle and women who died in childbirth.  Maybe for dwarfs men find redemption in battle while women find redemption in other ways?  Although if dwarven men would lie with a dishonoured female is a consideration on its likelihood.


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RE: The Barren ShrineAbecedar 07-31-2015

I think I'd go with the general gist of it. Maybe its my frame of mind at the moment but I'd prefer the theme were any women past child bearing and/or barren were seen as being honoured by going to the temple to be able to continue to serve in that role.  They are valued beyond price and being denigrated wouldn't be consistant?


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RE: The Barren ShrineDînadan 07-31-2015

Abecedar Wrote:
I think I'd go with the general gist of it. Maybe its my frame of mind at the moment but I'd prefer the theme were any women past child bearing and/or barren were seen as being honoured by going to the temple to be able to continue to serve in that role.  They are valued beyond price and being denigrated wouldn't be consistant?


I think Admiral only has those born barren serving in the temple which would probably be consistent as barren women would be worthless in a society where their main value lies in their role as a barer of children.


Iirc, ages ago in another thread I posited the idea of those too old to continue baring children would forsake their roles as wives and become priestess-midwives.  So maybe the two ideas could be meshed, with those bore barren being regarded as disgraced and only fit to serve in the Barren Shrine, and those barren through age (or via labour complications) being honoured by becoming midwives?



Also note that Admiral stated its mostly limited to Zharr-Naggrund, so implicitly the other fortresses/outposts/holds/etc don't practice it.  Plus, they can only do it with permission by the head of their clan, so it's probably mostly reserved for those the sorcerer-prophets want to punish for some reason.




Edit: thread I mentioned above for reference - http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showth...?tid=14937


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RE: The Barren ShrineAdmiral 08-01-2015

@Dînadan: Could actually work. Try proposing that on Bugman's, but duck for the axes. Wink

@Abeceadar & Dînadan: Yes, I somehow forgot to write out born barren. It's fixed now.

And as Dînadan pointed out, it'd be a limited phenomenon.

As for women past childbearing age, the role of sacred midwife is a logical one. It might clash somewhat with the established GW/BL canon of "hags" having their tounges ripped out and sent into a special military unit. Someone reported this in a thread about a book featuring a siege of a CD fortress. Of course, being a hag and at the same time a midwife need not be contradictive. It'd preserve the old ladies' experience and practical knowledge of childbirth, for the benefit of Dawi Zharr society.


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RE: The Barren ShrineAdmiral 08-01-2015

Text added above. Chaos Dwarfs are Daemonforgers deluxe, after all:

Some of the Temple harlots' most heinous services, however, are carried out in more or less bizarre ways as parts of carefully orchestrated arcane rituals to summon, capture, break and reforge particularly elusive Daemons of perversion and hedonism. These services in the Soulforges of Daemonsmiths are hazardous at best, for the vile Daemons and dark sorcery at play may all too easily lash out and damage or otherwise affect the sacred prostitutes who act as bait.


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RE: The Barren ShrineDînadan 08-01-2015

*shudders* thanks for that Admiral - now I'm imagining dwarf sized/proportioned daemonettes *shudder*


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RE: The Barren ShrineAdmiral 08-01-2015

Think like a craftsman. Use every tool and every resource available to achieve the task. And shut off the fantasies. Tongue


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