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[9th Age] Bulls on Parade (4500) Evolution of List - Update 10.08.17Miasma 04-26-2017

Greetings All,

So I have been thinking a lot lately about my Infernal Dwarfs and how I think that they could potentially be a fairly speedy army, as a result of this I have been toying with the below list, however having a slight issue with finishing it.

Prophet - 610/370
Wizard Master, Alchemy, 4 Learned Spells, Book of Arcane Power, Ring of Fire, Hardened Shield, Temple Lamasu

Taurukh Subjugator - 430 pts
Paired Weapons, Vial of Mercury

Vizier - 300/300
BSB, Dragonscale Helm, Flaming Lance, Talisman of Greater Shielding, Bull of Shamut

20 Hobgoblins - 170 pts
Bows, Musician

40 Infernal Warriors - 960 pts
Great Weapons, Shields, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Speed

5 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders - 160 pts
Bows, Musician

5 Taurukh - 230 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh - 230 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed - 740 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Rending Banner

Pro's of the List;
- 5 Scoring Units
- Fast Combat Units
- Target Saturation

Cons of the List;
- Limited Drops
- Vulnerable to cannons
- Not a lot of Chaff

So I want to keep the large unit of Infernal Dwarfs, Taurukh and Anointed and also need the Hobgoblins to make Core Requirements, which basically means that I would need to replace the Characters and Mounts if I want to make changes.

I am also working on an Infantry version of this list with the typical Overlord Build which I am not such a fan of at the moment as it is rather cut and paste with added Taurukh Anointed

Thoughts? Comments?


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)TheHoodedMan 04-27-2017

At first this is a very cool list Cheers!.

Dragonscale shield means probably Dragonscale helm + shield.

You already mentioned the problem with cannons, but not only that, a HBE army with massed shooting and 2 combat casters can pose some problems for your flying chars, too.
But otherwise you have lots of tools on the table.

I found the lore of pyromancy a little more versatile the last games unless you know what army you will play against. You don`t really need the Alchemy attribute in this list from my point of view.

Maybe I would even change the Infernal Warriors to Citadel guards with flint locks (20) and try to squeeze in another hobgoblin unit.

Personally I prefer the hobgoblin chieftain as a redirector to the wolf riders. Needs less space and can be a little protected in a unit until he is needed.


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)Miasma 04-27-2017

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
At first this is a very cool list Cheers!.

Thank you lots of thinking, testing and planning has gone into getting the list to this stage, plus I do love the Bull Centaur Models both the Old School Big Hats and the Newer FW Sculpts so to be able to run both in a single list is pretty cool for me. Cheers!

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
Dragonscale shield means probably Dragonscale helm + shield.

Yes although looking at it now, I don't have the points for a Shield so just the Helm, OP Amended thank you

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
You already mentioned the problem with cannons, but not only that, a HBE army with massed shooting and 2 combat casters can pose some problems for your flying chars, too.
But otherwise you have lots of tools on the table.

I don't know too many people who play T9A except a WotDG, Dwarven Holds and Pestilent Daemon player so at the moment I am relatively safe from HBE for the time being.

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
I found the lore of pyromancy a little more versatile the last games unless you know what army you will play against. You don`t really need the Alchemy attribute in this list from my point of view.

I never really know what Lore to choose for my casters had the same issue back in 8th Edition, will play around with the Lores and see which I like the best

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
Maybe I would even change the Infernal Warriors to Citadel guards with flint locks (20) and try to squeeze in another hobgoblin unit.

At the moment I am currently light on models as in I "only" have 40 Metal Big Hats and 20 Blunderbuss dwarfs, I do however want to splash out on some of the Russian Alternatives soon to expand my collection and be able to play with some other choices.

TheHoodedMan Wrote:
Personally I prefer the hobgoblin chieftain as a redirector to the wolf riders. Needs less space and can be a little protected in a unit until he is needed.

Good call, for some reason I thought I had maxed out my character choice but clearly had not, will look into this


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)Miasma 04-27-2017

firstly apologies for the double post, had a few hours playing with Battlescibe and stumbled across something which may or may not be illegal? Not too sure early morning, late night and a few brewski's have made this an interesting experience.

Here we go (Vizier maybe Illegal)

Overlord - 520
Divine Icon, Lucky Shield, Onyx Hammer, Sprout of Rebirth

**Vizier - 405**
BSB, Axe of Battle, Gauntlets of Madzhab, Ring of Dessication, Aether Icon

Taurukh Subjugator - 430
Paired Weapon, Vial of Mercury

20 Hobgoblins - 230
Bows, Shields, Musician, Standard

20 Hobgoblins - 230
Bows, Shields, Musician, Standard

30 Infernal Warriors - 740
Great Weapons, Shields, Musician, Standard, Banner of Speed

28 Immortals - 805
Infernal Weapons, Shields, Full Command, Flaming Standard

5 Taurukh - 190
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh - 190
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed - 760
Paired Weapons, Full Command, Rending Banner

Pro's of List
-Lack of Cannon Fodder
-7 Scoring Units
-Fast(ish) Combat Units
-Chaff Clearance

Con's of List
-No Lamasu
-No Small Chaff Units (except Hobo's and Baby Taurukh)
-No Magic
-Aether Icon makes BSB Illegal???
-Have to purchase 40 Hobgoblins
-Have to purchase Immortals


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)Carcearion 04-27-2017

would love to see that many Tauruk painted! it would be one hell of a impressive battle line.


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)Miasma 05-05-2017

Carcearion Wrote:
would love to see that many Tauruk painted! it would be one hell of a impressive battle line.


I know really excited about this force, currently have the majority of the Big hats getting stripped from my terrible attempts over the years of painting, just need to pick up the Forgeworld Taurukh as well as a few other things so going to be a long slow labour of love.

Anyway, have been thinking about the list, am currently looking at the below as the above list is illegal (damn Magic Item Allowance)

Bulls on Parade: 3895 Points

Prophet –470/370
Wizard Master, Pyromancy, 4 Learned Spells, Lucky Shield
Temple Lamasu, Witchcraft, 1 Learned Spell

Taurukh Subjugator – 430 pts
Vial of Mercury, Paired Weapons

Vizier – 354 pts
Battle Standard Bearer, Axe of Battle, Gauntlets of Madzhab, Ring of Desiccation, Shield

20 Hobgoblins – 190 pts
Bows, Musician, Standard Bearer

20 Hobgoblins – 190 pts
Bows, Musician, Standard Bearer

29 Citadel Guard – 751 pts
Full Command, Flaming Banner

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed – 760 pts
Paired Weapons, Full Command, Rending Banner

Things I like:
Characters Spread Throughout the List, No Death star/Anvil
High Synergy with Flaming Unit and Desiccation Ring Hero
6 Scoring Units
Fast Combat Unit (Anointed)
Durable Support Unit (Infernal Guard)
Anti Chaff Potential

I have 605 points spare that I can spend on supporting the list. Which I would like some idea's for


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500 T9A)Miasma 05-22-2017

Ok so i have decided to work on the list a little more and feel that I am getting closer to something that I would like to play on the table top, I am unsure about the BSB but short of running him on foot in the Flintlock I am running out of idea's as I do not want to put the BSB on the Subjugator

Prophet – 410 pts
Wizard Master, Pyromancy, 3x Learned Spells

Vizier – 310/300 pts
Battle Standard Bearer, Dragonscale Helm, Flaming Lance, Talisman of Greater Shielding
Bull of Shamut

Taurukh Subjugator – 430 pts
Paired Weapons, Vial of Mercury

20 Hobgoblins – 230 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard

20 Hobgoblins – 230 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard

20 Citadel Guard – 690 pts
Flintlock Axe, Full Command

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed – 760 pts
Paired Weapons, Full Command, Rending Banner

3 Taurukh Anointed – 380 pts
Musician

3 Taurukh Anointed – 380 pts
Musician

Focus on Anti Chaff shooting, speed and hard hitting combat units. Although If I did drop the BSB I could potentially fit in two Armoured Giants....

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Prophet – 410 pts
Wizard Master, Pyromancy, 3x Learned Spells

Taurukh Subjugator – 480 pts
Battle Standard Bearer, Paired Weapons, Vial of Mercury

20 Hobgoblins – 230 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard

20 Hobgoblins – 230 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard

20 Citadel Guard – 670 pts
Flintlock Axe, Musician, Champion

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed – 740 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Rending Banner

3 Taurukh Anointed – 380 pts
Musician

3 Taurukh Anointed – 380 pts
Musician

Armoured Giant – 300 pts

Armoured Giant – 300 pts


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RE: Bulls on Parade (4500) Evolution of List - Update 10.08.17Miasma 08-10-2017

So I have been playing and tinkering with the list for a little while now, I made the below changes about a month ago and have had a couple of games with the list since then. I aim to play another 8-10 games without making any more changes so that I can gain a better understanding of what the units can do.

Prophet – 660 pts
Wizard Master, 4x Spells, Pyromancy, Book of Arcane Power, Axe of Battle, Gauntlets of Madzhab, Lucky Shield, Lucky Charm

Taurukh Subjugator – 430 pts
Paired weapons, Vial of Mercury

Vizier – 305 pts
Battle Standard Bearer, Hardened Shield, Ring of Fire, Flaming Standard

25 Hobgoblins – 290 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer

25 Hobgoblins – 290 pts
Bow, Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer

21 Orc Slaves – 194 pts
Musician, Shield

20 Orc Slaves – 180 pts
Musician, Shield

20 Orc Slaves – 180 pts
Musician, Shield

28 Immortals – 830 pts
Infernal Weapon, Shield, Full Command, Banner of Speed

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh – 190 pts
Paired Weapons, Musician

5 Taurukh Anointed – 760 pts
Paired Weapons, Full Command, Rending Banner

Characters - 1395/1800
Core - 1134/1125
Special - 1970/unlimited
Barrage - 0/900
Bound & Binders- 0/1575  

The general tactics (if they can be called that) is that the BSB and Prophet General joins up with the Immortals to act as a solid point denial unit, I have not lost the unit or characters in the past couple of games. In only 1 game so far has the unit actually managed to make combat.

The Anointed and Subjugator combination is fantastic and literally blends away both Hordes of Cheap troops and elite infantry, I have not yet encountered any high toughness units/characters or big Cavalry units which may prove difficult.

My Core I absolutely love, people that I face simply are not prepared for 111 disposable models backed up by speedy units and a couple of hard hitters, I still think that I may need some additional Chaff in the form of either Hobgoblin Chiefs or additional ranged threats in the form of Bolt Throwers, I have already considered trimming the Immortals or Anointed to make these changes but still need to keep to my minimum of 10 games before additional changes are made.

Finally the baby Taurukh I also adore both model wise and the role on the tabletop, I use these to grab secondary objectives due to their higher speed and small footprint, in times of dire need they also can be used as hard chaff.


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