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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAdmiral 05-16-2017

First post edited. Deadline changed to the 30th of June.

Right, as you may have read, Tertius brought up a very good point:

Tertius Wrote:
Bases

Admiral Wrote:
...Up to your discretion. No display bases, plinths, though, please.

One picture each of a plinth base and a display base would help my understanding of what is right out.  

I keep picturing bases big enough for an airship (to not topple over) and I end up thinking, 'what's the difference'?


As noted, this paragraph is standard CDO fare, usually completed with diorama style bases (which however are allowed in this contest).

As far as I understand the limitations on display bases and plinths, it's to level the field by not having very fancily sculpted/carved base sides/pedestals under the model which might distract from the modelling work and paintjob itself in the competition.

So as the rules are now, you can gladly use any manner of big base to keep your airship stable, but please do not make the base sides tastefully fancy like this display base:



Or put a very nice decorative pedestal under it like this one for contest pictures:



Of course, we do love to see such things in the logs, but avoid for contests.

Are the above examples and explanation clear enough? Plain base sides, please, no pedestal. Please shout if I'm not explaining this well enough, short on time and gotta rush.

However, do people think display bases should be allowed? Including ones with fancy sides? We're doing this for you the members* and obviously if many of you as participants would like to use a fancy display base for their anyway large airship base, then we could make an exception this time.

We're all ears, so please discuss and shout out, and we'll see from there should anyone want a proper display base, incl. fancy sides.

Also, Warmaster airships are OK. We're unlikely to ever run frequent Warmaster/smallscale themes, so better kill two birds with one stone if anyone wishes to give Warmaster a shot.

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RE: Golden Hat XXVIICarcearion 05-17-2017

As of yesterday I have ordered all the things I need for my build. Now if Hashut wills it makes it to me in due time it's on

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I think disallowing the plinths and display bases remains a good call, it helps keep those of us with limited funds in the running and also keeps things focused on the miniature. I think your example is very clear Takes Hat off


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIclam 05-19-2017

Admiral Wrote:
However, do people think display bases should be allowed? Including ones with fancy sides? We're doing this for you the members* and obviously if many of you as participants would like to use a fancy display base for their anyway large airship base, then we could make an exception this time.


I think this is a hole different debate and should be it is own thread - but I for one is against any restrictions. And the base restrictions have actually been the main reason for me not taking part lately. Creativity ain't to be restricted, if you ask me. How people base their stuff is up to each person to decide - and I strongly believe, that those people voting can look past any fancy bases, plints etc. and judge a good paint job, when they see it. That's my 5 cents Big Grin




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RE: Golden Hat XXVIITheHoodedMan 05-19-2017

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Personally I don`t use display bases, but principally they should be allowed.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAdmiral 05-19-2017

Hehe, right enough. Will play along with the spirit of recent contest rule tweakings, too, which has been all about opening up and freeing. Mayhap we've been running needlessly in a routine of Warhammer tournament base thinking. Staff will convene and ponder it. Responding ASAP.

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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIcornixt 05-19-2017

Way back in the early days of the contests there was outcry because the models with fancy bases and plinths were getting more votes than the objectively better models, and it started turning into "model in a scene" rather than about the model. People are influenced, subconsciously or not, by how the model is presented. People wouldn't use plinths if they didn't have a visual effect. But every now and then there would be an open competition that allowed those kinds of things so it's not as if people never have a chance to use it to their advantage. It's not that hard to rebase a model if you want to make it a display piece after the competition, anyway.

I find that creativity is fostered with limits, whether self imposed or otherwise. Having to restrict yourself in one way stimulates you to work around it and come up with interesting solutions.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAbecedar 05-22-2017

Plinth - Display bases......  Let me say  ......nothing.
They can be great and when done well are really eye catching but are not what I am interested in. I'm interested in the models only.

Anyway.  I wished to comment on the amount of posts on any and all other threads, that IMO are distracting people.
I implore you all. Concentrate your efforts on this competion because if I win due to a lack of opponents
and have to post first prize to myself I will be most upset.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIMalorndk 05-22-2017

Im not here for the display bases, but I would allow it this one time, as airships tends to be huge, and might be hard to balance on a regular base


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAbecedar 05-22-2017

And another thought for consideration by our evil minded masters
The possible inclusion of an unpainted (bare or undercoated) CD to give an indication of size.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAdmiral 05-23-2017

Good proposals, we'll ponder and answer both as soon as something has been agreed upon. However, as for bases, note that you can already have as large a homebrew base as you want to, as long as the sides are plain. Answer pending here.

Minor update in first post:

Quote:
Warmaster/smallscale Chaos Dwarf airships are allowed. In order to show the size of your creation, you are allowed to include one unpainted or basecoated 28mm scale Chaos Dwarf miniature for comparison on the side, should you wish to.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIDaith 05-24-2017

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you are allowed to include one unpainted or basecoated 28mm scale Chaos Dwarf miniature for comparison on the side, should you wish to


Does this mean that Chaos Dwarf miniatures cannot be a part of the model normally? For example, I could not have Chaos Dwarfs maintaining the fire under a hot air balloon. Or is this rule just added incase my miniature does not have a visible Chaos Dwarf crew?


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAdmiral 05-24-2017

Chaos Dwarf miniatures are more than allowed! They're very much expected. Pirate

One most certainly expect visible crew milling about on fantasy airships, but should anyone wish to make a smallscale airship (eg. Man o' War, Warmaster or 15mm scale) or even one with an enclosed gondola, they're free to show the size of their build with an unpainted reference miniature on the side, if they want to.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIINicodemus 05-24-2017

Just a disclaimer that I am not making an entry for this GH.

Further to some of the discussion - I too expect to see some crew occupying the airships! Crew are an integral part of any warmachine! Here's a WIP shot from my blog of the crew of the Indefatigable:


There's 29 crew there! 29 FFS!!! 10 of them are slaves. Not to mention there are 7 more slaves in cages hanging off the back of the ship.  Ships need a captain, and captains need crew.  Depending on how the airship operates, if it's a classic airship design then you need at least two of the crew to steer and keep the airship level (a helmsman and a planesman). Then you might need crew to operate weapons, keep the furnace going or what-have-you.  Then depending on size, you may need other officers, guards on deck in case you're boarded, an engineer or two to fix things as-needed, and additional crew to swab the deck, polish the mizzenmast, etc. Wink



With regards to bases, it can be difficult to get a stable base if you're making a particularly large airship.  I had an idea how big I wanted to make mine, so I started planning out a scale for how high it should be off the table, and then how large of a base I'd need. In the end, once I got the basic shape of the hull I decided it was too small and I'd have to go larger.


In order to keep it from toppling over I had no choice but to abandon any kind of normal basing plan. There weren't even any kits I could use to mount the darn thing.  I ended up ordering a 1" acrylic rod that is 24" long to connect the airship to the base.

I ended up not having any choice but to build a large scenic base for mine, just to support the weight of the airship! I mean, look at the size! That doorway in the rock is the same size of a Warhammer Quest doorway, and the square blocks on the ground are each 45mm a side,


I wouldn't want to necessarily be overly restrictive with the basing requirements, but it needs to look in proportion and appropriate to the piece. Otherwise we have contests that degenerate into 'who can make the nicest diorama'.  It's not my contest though, so my opinions are only my own.  Takes Hat off


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAbecedar 05-25-2017

Thanks for the tips Nico.  Its a pity you haven't the time to finish yours.
Finished for the comp and Fully crewed with newly painted might take longer.
I'll probably use troops I've already done for a later commisioning photo.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIICarcearion 05-25-2017

X_X eeeek... the models I ordered for this project still have not arrived. I know we still have allot of time, but I'm getting more and more nervous. Very glad we pushed back the date.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIGrimstonefire 05-27-2017

Well, I might actually stand a chance of entering this now!  I've been working on it for a while, hopefully finish the sculpting parts Monday.

@admiral

Can you send me the link to the square display base.  I've been looking for ones like that.

@Nicodemus

That's a really cool model!  Very impressed.  Mine's a real tiny ship in comparison.


Just to clarify the point, when I originally wrote the rules about the display bases, it was intended to clarify the difference between a model on it's own base, and one that sits within a larger display piece.  

For example fulgrim
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Fulgr...s-Children

He's on his own 40mm round base I think, but that sits within something like a 60mm display base.

The other type being diorama bases, where for example you could have a model that would normally be on it's own 20mm base on a 25cm square with dead bodies etc all over it.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAbecedar 05-29-2017

The pieces are slowly coming into shape at least.  The first effort at the "airship floaty bit" has been totally discarded and the second looked good but had to have a sizeable rethink.  I'm in so many minds of how I want the finished item to be shown, I seem to spend a lot of time dithering.


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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIAbecedar 05-30-2017

Handy Tip No 14.
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RE: Golden Hat XXVIIWill Liam 05-31-2017

AIR SHIP DONE – NOW WORKING ON A BASE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ITS HEIGHT – I THINK ITS TURNING OUT PRETTY WELL at the moment – HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING WITH YOUR BUILDS/PAINTING?

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RE: Golden Hat XXVIICarcearion 05-31-2017

I have all the pieces I need to start working on mine as of yesterday, unfortunately the in-laws are staying with us and finding time and space to work on this has become a challenge (even worse I also have a commission piece I somehow need to finish as well).

But we have 30 more days, and I am confident I will join in on the air assault!


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