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Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsNarunac 03-02-2009

Hello together.

I'm new here and i need your advice. (I'm from Germany, so please forgive any typos Happy )

Our Club is planing a Warhammer Fantasy Scenario and I thought about fielding my new Chaos Dwarf Army.

My problem is, that I have no idea how to equip my characters and which units are useful.

At my disposal are:

A Lord on Great Taurus
A Mage on Lammasu
A Hero on foot with handweapon/shild
The Avatars of War Chaos Dwarf with two-handed hammer
2 Sorcerers
1 Astragoth
1 Bull Taurus with Battle Standard
1 Bull Taurus Hero

2x25 Blunderbusses
3x20 Chaos Dwarfs with full Command
2x25 Hobgoblins with full Command
2x10 Hobgoblins with Bows

2 Deathrockets
4 Hobgoblin Boltthrowers
20 Black Orcs with full Command
20 Sneaky Gits with full Command

2 Earthshaker
8 Bull Taurus with full Command

My opponents will field Wood Elves (1 who only field "mortals", so no Treeman, dryads, etc. and 1 who field a "normal" Wood Elf army) and an Army of Bretonia. Together they field 10k Points.

My "Allies..." Shock are Dark Elves (3k or 4k Points) and Skaven (3k Points).

So depending on the points the Dark Elf has at his disposal I field 3k or 4k points.

My only games until today where 1,5k or 2k points so I seek your knowledge what will be a good and ugly Happy army.

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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsUbertechie 03-02-2009

Hi there,
You have a good selection of troops to choose from - however before suggesting an army list to you it would help to understand how you like to play e.g. sit back and shoot or march forward aggressivley or Magic heavy or a mix of them all ?
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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsSwissdictator 03-02-2009

Ubertechie is right, your playstyle is important.

A few things that will always be in the army: You'll need 4-5 Chaos Dwarf infantry units depending on if you go 3 or 4k. I strongly recommend any Hw/Sh blocks are fielded in 25 strong blocks. You'd be surprised how helpful that extra 5 goes to keeping outnumber, rank bonuses, simply keeping guys, etc. This REALLY helps you survive Bret charges, then bounce them off later.

I'm a big fan of Lord on Taurus with Black Hammer and Armour of the Furnace. Against the normal WE army this will help kill Treemen/Treekin. Be careful about placing him to avoid becoming a pincushion, but if they blast him your other stuff survives. If you have two shakers, use one to silence the WE shooting and the other to slow the Brets down. While I normally don't advocate two shakers, but when you're fielding up to 4k it seems much more acceptable.

Silencing their shooting via one Earth shaker, and delaying Brets with the other will allow your allies to soften them up significantly. DE can really deal with Brets between magic and shooting, delaying them will help big time. Skaven, might be ok, depending on his style... but the Shaker will allow him to function better regardless.

Blunderbuss will be a big help as skirmishing Elves gain no extra protection from being skirmishers against BB. So blast away those T3 (or T4 Dryads) hippies!

I actually recommend a small mix of Bolt Throwers and Death Rockets. When a Death Rocket lands in a formation of Brets it is far deadlier then a bolt thrower shot usually. While it can drift, it allows no armor saves and (with the exception of the one under the whole) doesn't give the better ward. Plus with bolt thrower shots if the first knight makes a ward it stops the bolt. Where the DR template victims can make a ward or two and you can still kill a bunch. For the Bolt Thrower's benefits it is more reliable in hitting and never misfires, plus it's cheap and you can get a couple for the same cost. So I really advocate combined arms on this.

Also: Take both Hobgob units with bows. For the price, they're a great deal. You'd be surprised how constant shooting from them can bring down any number of things (Knights, Orcs, etc).


Still, start with your mandatory Chaos Dwarf core choices. Then work your way up.



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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsNarunac 03-02-2009

Thanks for the Quick Answers.
I think the 3 of us will have a big shooting army. The Skaven Player loves to play with many Jezzails, Lightning Cannons and Warlocks. The Dark Elf uses a great mix of Dragons, Boltthrowers, Cavalry, and Crossbows.
So I thought about using 2 Mages with Dispel Scrolls and Power Stones, the Mage Lord on Lammasu with either 1 Scroll and 1 Stone + Staff of Sorcery or 2 Stones and 2 scrolls.
In addition the Great Taurus (no idea about Equipment, but the suggestions are pretty nice), a Bull Army Standard, a Bull Hero with 2handed weapon and +2 S Braceltes?
Core would be something like either 3x20 Chaos Dwarf + 2x15 Blunderbusses or 2x25 Chaos Dwarfs + 2x15 Blunderbusses. Then 2x10 Hobgobbos with Bows, 2x 25 Hobgoblins (naked).
Elites choices would be 2xDeathrockets, 2 Boltthrower
Special: 2 Earthshaker, 8 Bulltaurus.

Depending on the points I would add:
(in this order)
20-25 Black Orcs
Another Mage
20 Sneaky Gits

What do you think? I will calculate the exact points tomorrow. Maybe the other players will have their army lists ready until Thursday, so i can post them as well.

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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsUbertechie 03-02-2009

Narunac
Looks pretty solid - dwarf warriors want to be in blocks of 25 with full command.

Blunderbusses (for me) work best in units of 15 ( 5 * 3) with a standard

Otherwise - work out the points you have left and we can suggest some tweaks for you


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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsNarunac 03-04-2009

So, now here are my ideas for a 3000 point list.

Heros and Lords:

1 Chaos Dwarf Lord @ 443 Pts
     General; Shield
     Black Hammer of Hashut [45]
     Armour of the Furnace [45]

     1 Great Taurus @ [230] Pts

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Lord @ 525 Pts
     Magic Level 4
     Staff of Sorcery [50]
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

     1 Lammasu @ [200] Pts

1 Bull Centaur Hero @ 129 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Battle Standard

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer @ 150 Pts
     Magic Level 2
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer @ 150 Pts
     Magic Level 2
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

1 Chaos Dwarf Hero @ 114 Pts
     Great Weapon
     Armour of Gazrakh [30]
     Gauntlets of Bazhrakk the Cruel [20]

Core:

15 Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss @ 180 Pts
     Blunderbuss; Heavy Armour

15 Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss @ 180 Pts
     Blunderbuss; Heavy Armour

24 Chaos Dwarf Warriors @ 255 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [10] Pts

24 Chaos Dwarf Warriors @ 255 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [10] Pts

Elites:

1 Death Rocket @ 80 Pts

     2 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

1 Death Rocket @ 80 Pts

     2 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

Special:

1 Earthshaker @ 110 Pts

     3 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

1 Earthshaker @ 110 Pts

     3 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

8 * Bull Centaurs @ 234 Pts
     Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [15] Pts

together: 2995 Points.

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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsNarunac 03-04-2009

The 4.000 Point list looks like:

Heros and Lords:

1 Chaos Dwarf Lord @ 443 Pts
     General; Shield
     Black Hammer of Hashut [45]
     Armour of the Furnace [45]

     1 Great Taurus @ [230] Pts

1 Chaos Dwarf Lord @ 214 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Shield
     Obsidian Blade [70]
     Talisman of Protection [15]

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Lord @ 525 Pts
     Magic Level 4
     Staff of Sorcery [50]
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

     1 Lammasu @ [200] Pts


1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Lord @ 525 Pts
     Magic Level 4
     Staff of Sorcery [50]
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

     1 Lammasu @ [200] Pts

1 Bull Centaur Hero @ 154 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Battle Standard
     War Banner [25]

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer @ 150 Pts
     Magic Level 2
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

1 Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer @ 150 Pts
     Magic Level 2
     Dispel Scroll [25]
     Power Stone [25]

1 Chaos Dwarf Hero @ 114 Pts
     Great Weapon
     Armour of Gazrakh [30]
     Gauntlets of Bazhrakk the Cruel [20]

Core:

20 Hobgoblins @ 40 Pts

20 Hobgoblins @ 40 Pts

10 Hobgoblins @ 50 Pts
     Normal Bow

10 Hobgoblins @ 50 Pts
     Normal Bow

15 Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss @ 180 Pts
     Blunderbuss; Heavy Armour

15 Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss @ 180 Pts
     Blunderbuss; Heavy Armour

22 * Chaos Dwarf Warriors @ 283 Pts
     Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [10] Pts

22 * Chaos Dwarf Warriors @ 283 Pts
     Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [10] Pts

Elites:

1 Death Rocket @ 80 Pts

     2 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

1 Death Rocket @ 80 Pts

     2 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

19 * Black Orcs @ 293 Pts
     2ndWeapon; Choppa; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Boss @ [15] Pts

2 Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower @ 60 Pts

     4 Crew @ [0] Pts

1 Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower @ 30 Pts

     2 Crew @ [0] Pts

19 Sneaky Gits @ 130 Pts
     2ndWeapon; Standard; Musician

     1 Boss @ [10] Pts

Special:

1 Earthshaker @ 110 Pts

     3 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

1 Earthshaker @ 110 Pts

     3 Crew @ [0] Pts
          Heavy Armour

8 * Bull Centaurs @ 234 Pts
     Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician

     1 Champion @ [15] Pts

together: 3983 Points.

I'm allowed to take one Core unit less, because I do not have enough Dwarfs to make another full unit.

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RE: Army Lists 3k and 4k PointsGrotsnik 03-23-2009

i assume by bull taurus you mean bull centaur


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