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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectGeofreyShank 04-11-2014

On the topic of Hatred could we possibly use the word for grudge (Dammaz) as a base?

The concept of the grudge is the closest thing to hatred Khazalid has.

something along the lines of ever-grudge, dark-grudge (Dum-dammaz), "harsh or unyielding"-grudge (Grim-dammaz), death-grudge (Uzkul-dammaz) or murder-grudge (Thaggak-dammaz).

Not sure if I'm doing grammar correctly as I am writing this away from my source-books.

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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-11-2014

GeofreyShank Wrote:
On the topic of Hatred could we possibly use the word for grudge (Dammaz) as a base?

The concept of the grudge is the closest thing to hatred Khazalid has.

something along the lines of ever-grudge, dark-grudge (Dum-dammaz), "harsh or unyielding"-grudge (Grim-dammaz), death-grudge (Uzkul-dammaz) or murder-grudge (Thaggak-dammaz).

Not sure if I'm doing grammar correctly as I am writing this away from my source-books.


Sounds like a great idea! Perhaps we could bend it with grammar, like the act of holding a murder-grudge, which would be hate in my book Happy


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectAdmiral 04-11-2014

Good to see you back on the project! As said, I'm sure it'll turn out good whichever course you take.

For the record i think Priestley (a person of obvious quality creativity) missed an opportunity when he and possibly other developers back in 4th edition thought of Chaos Dwarf language as merely Khazalid.


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-11-2014

Hey GeofreyShank,

I've been looking at the all-important hate Happy I think your really onto something with the hate and grudge relation!

"-az" This is used to show that the root word represents an actual physical object or place, as it is the most important signifier in the language, it is usually the first signifier on the end of a root word, before any others.

Dammaz - Grudge

Wouldn't an unsolid grudge be hate? What do you think about:

Hate - Damm?

EDIT: Ill add this for the time being!


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-11-2014

Admiral Wrote:
Good to see you back on the project! As said, I'm sure it'll turn out good whichever course you take.

For the record i think Priestley (a person of obvious quality creativity) missed an opportunity when he and possibly other developers back in 4th edition thought of Chaos Dwarf language as merely Khazalid.


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Yeah, I thought about this too, perhaps after finishing the Dwarfs Priestley and the developers where in their minds at the start of the CD timeline? Because the way I see it our language would vary alot with the years, what we do know though is that the CD are conservative in some areas and very progressive in others. The awesome thing though is that it makes this project possible, I'm partial and a Zharr-Naggrund extremist but I don't think any other race (not even dwarfs) has the option to have a language project like this Hashut!

Updated the "Dwarfifying DToC" section with the Z, Sk, St rule of thumb and looked through the examples.


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectFuggit Khan 04-11-2014

I've said this before, but I'll say it again...I'm really enjoying this thread. Linguistics are way beyond my feeble mind, but I really enjoy the thought process and concept behind all of it.
Keep with it MadHatter...and again, thank you for sharing all your effort and creativity with this project
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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectBloodbeard 04-12-2014

I just read the first post again. This is really impressive work. An insane job to undertake!


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectYodrin 04-12-2014

A huge task to take on, impressive work!!!!


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

Yodrin Wrote:
A huge task to take on, impressive work!!!!


Thanks for all the heads up Happy it's great to see you guys are still here even though it has been slow. Currently I'm trying to finish the last of the Tamurkhan entries, having to resort to DToC absurdities to do so. But it will be a milestone and one could then start looking to finish the other entries.

I would like later to expand the project to include phrases from Nicodemus awesome work the Warhammer Quest: Chaos Dwarfs, Tommy H's armybook, Ravening Hordes and 4th ed. armybook or the airship phrases HB mentioned, but even though I'm eager it's better to finish what one can chew one piece at a time Wink

v1.5 Daemon Flask of Ashak
Dhaozlithazh-Ashak (Literally: Daemonliquidsource of Ashak)

Stem:
Dhaoz - Immaterial, spirit, daemon, entity (Dark Tongue of Chaos)
-azh Liquid. (Dark Tongue of Chaos)
Lith, nith - Lord of, master of, ruler of, source of (Dark Tongue of Chaos)
A - Of, with, within, to (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
n/a


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

v1.5 Breath of Hatred
Ghryaniazyr Dammit (Literally: Life-air of Grudging)

Stem:
Ghryan - life (Dark Tongue of Chaos)
I'Azyr - air (Dark Tongue of Chaos)
Dammaz - Grudge (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
something solid, -az, makes dammaz: Damm
the act of, +it, makes damm: Dammit


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RE: The Chaos-Khazalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

GeofreyShank Wrote:
As for Zhugulzar, I think that "the black port" would be a colloquial name rather than a literal translation of the name. I cannot find any further information apart from a vague location.


Fixed!


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

This finished the Tamurkhan magic items!

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v1.5 Dagger of Malice
Stokak-Dumul (Literally: Striker of Malice)

Stem:
Stok - The act of hitting or striking (Khazalid)
Dum - Doom or darkness, evil, Chaos. (Khazalid)
A - Of, with, within, to (Khazalid)
Thag - To kill in a dishonourable or dishonest fashion. (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
the concept of, + ak makes stok: Stokak
The art or mastery of, + ul makes dum: Dumul


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

v1.5 Dark Subjugation
Ufdien Drazhak (Literally: Weakening Darkness)

Stem:
Drazh - Black, night (Khazalid)
Ufdi - A vain Dwarf; a Dwarf who excessively preens his beard; a Dwarf who cannot be trusted to fight (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
currently taking place +en makes ufdi: Ufdien
The concept of + ak makes drazh: Drazhak

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v1.5 Curse of Hashut
Rhunit-Hashut A Uzguldammar (Literally: Hashut's Marking Of Deathgrudge)

Stem:
Dammaz - Grudge, bitterness (Khazalid)
Rhun - Rune, word or power; magical mark; name (Khazalid)
Uzgul, Uzkul - Bones or death (Khazalid)
A - Of, with, within, to (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
solid -az makes dammaz: Damm
going on forever -ar makes damm: Dammar
the act of +it makes rhun: Rhunit


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-13-2014

Now all the Tamurkhan phrases have entries and the next thing on the to-do list is to format all those 3 lists (units/magic items/spells) into v1.5 where HB can take over.

New entries can ofcourse still be added, things can be rectified and debated, as usual Takes Hat off


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-14-2014

Post added for index.

v1.5 Chaos Dwarf
Dawi-Zharr (Literally: Dwarfs of Fire)

Stem:
Dawi - Dwarfs (Khazalid)
Zharr - Fire (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
n/a

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v1.5 Chaos Siege Giant
Baragak Gront-Zharr (Literally: Siege machine-ing Giant of Fire: Giant of Fire that does sieges)

Stem:
Barag - Cannon, siege-machine, war machine (Khazalid)
Gronti - Giants (as in creatures) (Khazalid)
Zharr - Fire (Khazalid)

Khazalid Grammar:
Generalizing: + i, makes Singular of Gronti: Gront
The concept of: + ak, makes the concept of a siege-machine: Baragak

...

v1.5 Lammasu
Lammasu (Literally: Lammasu)

"Both Taurus and Lammasu would be pronounced in the same way as the Dwarf tongue." -Forge World (e-mail correspondence).

Stem:
Lammasu (CDColloquial)

Khazalid Grammar:
n/a


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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-14-2014

Since the thread is growing all entries in the indexes for the Tamurkhan Magic, Units and Magic Items in the first post now links to their respective post (Entry with stem and grammar) for easier navigation. Idea stolen from the table of contents Bloodbeard added to his awesome battlereport-thread!

I think it looks awesome how the lists with full entries turn to gold!

This will also help tremendously when updating old entries when trying to reach v1.5

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RE: The Khaozalid Dictionairy ProjectMadHatter 04-14-2014

As of 04-14-2014 the translation project is now a real sticky:ed CDO project thanks to Xander! In celebration the thread has been given a simplifying namechange from "The Khaozalid Dictionary Project" to the more official-sounding "The Khaozalid Dictionary" also 5 slaves will be sent out to each and every one who has participated up to this point, supporters aswell as contributors. Your the fuel that's pushing this project forward!

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RE: The Khaozalid DictionairyYodrin 04-14-2014

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RE: The Khaozalid DictionairyMadHatter 04-14-2014

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Gratz with the sticky, well deserved!!


Thanks Yodrin!

Update: Tamurkhan Overhaul
*All Tamurkhan entries have been checked and simplified from the indexes down to the very grammar of the entry-posts.
*Alot of the A's for "Of" has been replaced and contracted with -'s.
*All entries containing Dark Tongue have been dwarfified and contracted.
*Grammar for all entries has been double-checked to the very best of my ability.

This overhaul, I think, made the dictionary alot more useful (I guess most people use the Tamurkhan for their Dawi-Zharr gaming), it looks alot cleaner and from experience is alot more gargle-friendly.

With that the whole of the Tamurkhan reached v1.5 tonight which mean that my work with them is done and that they are ready for HB's last touch, after which they can be considered live and kicking.


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RE: The Khaozalid DictionairyBloodbeard 04-15-2014

Thanks for the slaves.

Just tried saying alot of the words - it's pretty freaking hard. Gonna get my pet K'daai Khariakzhylithak - ... I'm just call him Spot.

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